Double and Freebid[s] of Major

[KWSchneider]

In view of recent postings, what hand should doubler have for each of these 4 auctions?

a) (1C) X (P) 1D; (P) 1M
b) (1C) X (P) 1D; (P) 2M
c) (1C) X (P) 1D; (P) 3M
d) (1C) X (P) 1D; (P) 2C

Kurt

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Post by KWSchneider
In view of recent postings, what hand should doubler have for each of these 4 auctions?
a) (1C) X (P) 1D; (P) 1M
b) (1C) X (P) 1D; (P) 2M
c) (1C) X (P) 1D; (P) 3M
d) (1C) X (P) 1D; (P) 2C

Sample hands:
a) Kx AJxxx KQx Axx
b) Kx AQJxxx Kx Axx
c) Kx AQJxxxx AQx x , perhaps, not sure I'd double with that
d) AKxx AKxxx AK xx or AKx AKQxxx AQx x or other (2C opening)

I would never have a stiff spade, or at least would need a true rock-crusher, and would think twice with a stiff diamond. I would be reluctant to double with long hearts and short clubs, or a big two-suiter, afraid partner might convert to a disappointing penalty.

[Lorne Anderson]

Post by KWSchneider
In view of recent postings, what hand should doubler have for each of these 4 auctions?
a) (1C) X (P) 1D; (P) 1M
b) (1C) X (P) 1D; (P) 2M
c) (1C) X (P) 1D; (P) 3M
d) (1C) X (P) 1D; (P) 2C
Kurt

I guess it depends on overall style and your preferences but for me:

a) = a decent hand with a good heart suit that might make game opposite
a hand that would pass a heart overcall.

b) = something similar to an old fashioned strong 2 in hearts. Say 16+
points and 8 playing tricks.

c) = 1 trick better than (b).

d) strong balanced hand with some length in clubs but no stop, or
something interested in a diamond slam - next bid (if there is one) will
say which.

[KWSchneider]

Post by Lorne Anderson

Post by KWSchneider
In view of recent postings, what hand should doubler have for each of these 4 auctions?
a) (1C) X (P) 1D; (P) 1M
b) (1C) X (P) 1D; (P) 2M
c) (1C) X (P) 1D; (P) 3M
d) (1C) X (P) 1D; (P) 2C
Kurt

a) = a decent hand with a good heart suit that might make game opposite
a hand that would pass a heart overcall.
b) = something similar to an old fashioned strong 2 in hearts. Say 16+
points and 8 playing tricks.
c) = 1 trick better than (b).
d) strong balanced hand with some length in clubs but no stop, or
something interested in a diamond slam - next bid (if there is one) will
say which.

I agree with a) and b). I think c) should be the same as b) except forcing hearts as the only strain. IMO d) should have tolerance for spades (and say nothing about clubs, that is what 1N and 2N are for) or a diamond slam.

Kurt

[jogs]

Post by KWSchneider
c) (1C) X (P) 1D; (P) 3M
Kurt

I would never make that call. Who knows what's the difference between 3M and 4M?

[KWSchneider]

Post by jogs

Post by KWSchneider
c) (1C) X (P) 1D; (P) 3M
Kurt

I would never make that call. Who knows what's the difference between 3M and 4M?

Frances did on the email chain to which I refer. And her credentials far outweigh yours or mine. I'm just curious as to the differentiation between 2M and 3M. As far as 3M and 4M are concerned, I would play the 4M bid as equivalent to a NamYats 4m opener.

Kurt

[dake50]

Exactly. These are frequent enough that a serious partnership has discussed them. I want to hear their decisions. Better if their reasoning is included.

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Post by KWSchneider
In view of recent postings, what hand should doubler have for each of these 4 auctions?
a) (1C) X (P) 1D; (P) 1M
b) (1C) X (P) 1D; (P) 2M
c) (1C) X (P) 1D; (P) 3M
d) (1C) X (P) 1D; (P) 2C
Kurt
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I just looked in our system file, and it says

- Simple change of suit by the doubler is about 16+ NF if below opener's suit, 18+ NF above. (1S) - dbl - 2m - 2H shows a more flexible hand with strong NT values.

- Jump change of suit by the doubler is F1 single-suited. Double jump is FG if available.

- A cue bid is strong but not FG. Advance bids step 1 (including NT) to show a very weak hand, any shape; any other bid by advancer shows values and is FG. After cue bid and a step 1 negative, doubler's simple suit or NT rebid is NF.

- If advancer makes a jump response or makes a disturbed response in competition, then a change of suit by the doubler is forcing.

- After advancer's 1NT bid, 2 of the lowest minor is a weak 5440 and is non-forcing contract correction; other suit bids are strong but NF. A really strong hand cues first.