WYB-1

[Douglas Newlands]

Teams, EW vul, Dealer South

You are East holding

A
AKQ63
A
AKQJ108

and hear

S W N E
4S P P ?

What's your bid?

doug

[Lorne Anderson]

Post by Douglas Newlands
Teams, EW vul, Dealer South
You are East holding
A
AKQ63
A
AKQJ108
and hear
S W N E
4S P P ?
What's your bid?
doug

Overcalling at the 7 level is something that we all would like to try
once in our lives and this looks like the best chance I will ever get so
I am going for it with 7C. Just needs partner to have the heart J or
enough clubs to ruff the heart suit good or enought hearts for the J to
fall or maybe the club 9 as an entry for a heart finesse - got to be
better than 50% IMO.

[Douglas Newlands]

Post by Lorne Anderson

Post by Douglas Newlands
Teams, EW vul, Dealer South
You are East holding
A
AKQ63
A
AKQJ108
and hear
S W N E
4S P P ?
What's your bid?
doug

Overcalling at the 7 level is something that we all would like to try
once in our lives and this looks like the best chance I will ever get so

Whether it is the right or wrong way to bid this hand,
partner agreed whole heartedly with the sentiment above and bid 7C.
It then went pass, pass, 7S.
Now what?

doug

Post by Lorne Anderson
I am going for it with 7C. Just needs partner to have the heart J or
enough clubs to ruff the heart suit good or enought hearts for the J to
fall or maybe the club 9 as an entry for a heart finesse - got to be
better than 50% IMO.

[Player]

Post by Douglas Newlands

Post by Lorne Anderson

Post by Douglas Newlands
Teams, EW vul, Dealer South
You are East holding
A
AKQ63
A
AKQJ108
and hear
S W N E
4S P P ?
What's your bid?
doug

Overcalling at the 7 level is something that we all would like to try
once in our lives and this looks like the best chance I will ever get so

Whether it is the right or wrong way to bid this hand,
partner agreed whole heartedly with the sentiment above and bid 7C.
It then went pass, pass, 7S.
Now what?
doug

Post by Lorne Anderson
I am going for it with 7C. Just needs partner to have the heart J or
enough clubs to ruff the heart suit good or enought hearts for the J to
fall or maybe the club 9 as an entry for a heart finesse - got to be
better than 50% IMO.

Sigh. 7C and 7NT.

[David Goldfarb]

Post by Douglas Newlands

Post by Lorne Anderson

Post by Douglas Newlands
Teams, EW vul, Dealer South
You are East holding
A
AKQ63
A
AKQJ108
and hear
S W N E
4S P P ?
What's your bid?
doug

Overcalling at the 7 level is something that we all would like to try
once in our lives and this looks like the best chance I will ever get so

Whether it is the right or wrong way to bid this hand,
partner agreed whole heartedly with the sentiment above and bid 7C.
It then went pass, pass, 7S.
Now what?

At imps I'm taking the sure money instead of gambling that 7N is on.

[KWSchneider]

Post by Douglas Newlands
Teams, EW vul, Dealer South
You are East holding
A
AKQ63
A
AKQJ108
and hear
S W N E
4S P P ?
What's your bid?
doug

7N - the problem with 7C is that 7SX will only garner you 1100 and I'd rather get to 7N without giving the defense any information. Running the club suit should put pressure on North - so if West is missing the HJ, I like my chances of a pseudo squeeze to set up the heart suit.

But I'm a gambler at heart...

Kurt

[Douglas Newlands]

Post by KWSchneider

Post by Douglas Newlands
Teams, EW vul, Dealer South
You are East holding
A
AKQ63
A
AKQJ108
and hear
S W N E
4S P P ?
What's your bid?
doug

7N - the problem with 7C is that 7SX will only garner you 1100 and I'd rather get to 7N without giving the defense any information. Running the club suit should put pressure on North - so if West is missing the HJ, I like my chances of a pseudo squeeze to set up the heart suit.
But I'm a gambler at heart...

mmmm, I pictured you more as a scientist who would start
with a two suited effort like 4N or 5S.....
:)

doug

[t***@att.net]

Depends on the situation. I'd probably go with 6C. I'll get to play that undoubled. I'd be tempted to bid 7C or even 7N but Grands are iffy.

[t***@att.net]

On further though, I need to know how the opponents are likely to bid my hand. General considerations are trumped by particulars. If the opponents are not likely to bid game, I have to be in 6C. If they bid at the 6-level, I probably should bid 6 something. I don't think I can make 7N or 7C; this depends on Partner holding specific (unbiddable) cards.

I think 7N depends on Partner holding the guarded 9 of Clubs or a guarded 7,8,9,10,or J of Hearts and a guarded K in either Spades or Diamonds (or a guarded Queen thereof and an opponent having a single K). Partner could also hold several Hearts to two honors, like KQx.

After further considerations, I'll still bid 6C. I's a guess. The preempt worked.

[Will in New Haven]

Post by t***@att.net
On further though, I need to know how the opponents are likely to bid my hand. General considerations are trumped by particulars. If the opponents are not likely to bid game, I have to be in 6C. If they bid at the 6-level, I probably should bid 6 something. I don't think I can make 7N or 7C; this depends on Partner holding specific (unbiddable) cards.
I think 7N depends on Partner holding the guarded 9 of Clubs or a guarded 7,8,9,10,or J of Hearts and a guarded K in either Spades or Diamonds (or a guarded Queen thereof and an opponent having a single K). Partner could also hold several Hearts to two honors, like KQx.
After further considerations, I'll still bid 6C. I's a guess. The preempt worked.

It must have worked for you to ignore the very real probability that there is a makeable grand. Certainly, one could say that the 4S bid means that the suits aren't splitting. However, _partner_ is one of the people who could have the extra Hearts. Looking at your analysis, it seems you didn't see that _you_ have the KQ of Hearts, so I can understand your reluctance.

I am going to bid 7C.

[t***@att.net]

But what are the probabilities that partner has the magic cards. I didn't try to figure that out. Compared to a just random distribution of cards, the 4S bidder probably has less of a chance to hold the H KQ or other specific cards. Partner and West are more likely to hold them. It's not obvious who has the better chance.

I'd put West and Partner as equally likely to have what I need thus making the Grand less that 50%. On the other hand, if several possibilities arise, and I think they do, chances may be increased. Partner can have an entry in either of two suits. (I'm assuming that Partner isn't void in the suit where I hold a Singleton Ace.) The KQ of either Spades (unlikely) or KQ of Diamonds or the two Kings would be useful. I'm to lazy this week to compute the probabilities.

[Lorne Anderson]

Post by t***@att.net
The KQ of either Spades (unlikely) or KQ of
Diamonds or the two Kings would be useful. I'm to lazy this week to
compute the probabilities.

The diamond KQ in partners hand are useless unless they have an entry.
Only possible entries are club 9 and heart Q, and if the club is
singleton it is also useless if clubs are led.

[Robert Chance]

Post by t***@att.net
But what are the probabilities that partner has the magic cards.

Partner doesn't need to have magic cards for 7C to make. Partner rates to hold more clubs than LHO, so even if partner has no fitting cards, and the hearts break badly, we will probably be able to ruff a heart (or even two) in dummy. That makes 7C an excellent contract. I don't see the advantage of showing a two-suited hand (it is most unlikely that partner will be able to judge which suit this hand belongs in), and I can't see us ever leaving it up to partner to make the final decision. I also don't think it certain that they will bid 7S.

7C for me, and if they do bid 7S I shut my eyes and bid 7N.

[Steve Willner]

Post by Douglas Newlands
Teams, EW vul, Dealer South
You are East holding
A
AKQ63
A
AKQJ108
S W N E
4S P P ?

I don't ever get dealt hands like this so have no experience, but I
think I'd start with 5S. I'm always bidding at least 7C, but maybe what
happens next will give me -- or partner -- an idea what to do over 7S.
Of course the downside is we might play a hopeless 7H.

[Douglas Newlands]

Post by Steve Willner

Post by Douglas Newlands
Teams, EW vul, Dealer South
You are East holding
A
AKQ63
A
AKQJ108
S W N E
4S P P ?

I don't ever get dealt hands like this so have no experience, but I
think I'd start with 5S. I'm always bidding at least 7C, but maybe what
happens next will give me -- or partner -- an idea what to do over 7S.
Of course the downside is we might play a hopeless 7H.

You get some certainty of what to do which the 7C bidders don't.
Partner will bid 6H! He actually has 5 hearts to the 10 and
doubleton 9 of clubs so 7N is safest but there were no first round ruffs
anyway.

doug