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A nasty problem hand (which I got wrong)
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a***@yahoo.co.uk
2017-12-17 22:13:35 UTC
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Matchpoints, bridge club Christmas evening (so partner and I might have been drinking :-)).

E/W vuln, I held as North:

986
9
AK8543
AKJ

N E S W
1D 2S* 3H 3S
?

*weak

What now?
Dave Flower
2017-12-17 22:28:16 UTC
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Matchpoints, bridge club Christmas evening (so partner and I might have been drinking :-)).
986
9
AK8543
AKJ
N E S W
1D 2S* 3H 3S
?
*weak
What now?
I think that its close between pass and double; I prefer double - unless that's what partner is seeing!

Dave Flower
judyorcarl@verizon.net
2017-12-17 23:36:56 UTC
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Matchpoints, bridge club Christmas evening (so partner and I might have been drinking :-)).
986
9
AK8543
AKJ
N E S W
1D 2S* 3H 3S
?
*weak
What now?
I think that its close between pass and double; I prefer double - unless that's what partner is seeing!
Dave Flower
Apparently, you believe pass would be forcing.

What is your reference?

Carl
Lorne
2017-12-18 01:09:26 UTC
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Matchpoints, bridge club Christmas evening (so partner and I might have been drinking :-)).
986
9
AK8543
AKJ
N E S W
1D 2S* 3H 3S
?
*weak
What now?
4D.

Too big a chance of 6D and too little chance of a big penalty for me to
double. Will pass if partner repeats his hearts. I would expect pass
to be forcing but it does not get across the good 6 card diamond suit.
judyorcarl@verizon.net
2017-12-18 01:50:10 UTC
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Matchpoints, bridge club Christmas evening (so partner and I might have been drinking :-)).
986
9
AK8543
AKJ
N E S W
1D 2S* 3H 3S
?
*weak
What now?
4D.
Too big a chance of 6D and too little chance of a big penalty for me to
double. Will pass if partner repeats his hearts. I would expect pass
to be forcing but it does not get across the good 6 card diamond suit.
Under what theory would pass be forcing?

Carl
f***@googlemail.com
2017-12-18 10:14:03 UTC
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Matchpoints, bridge club Christmas evening (so partner and I might have been drinking :-)).
986
9
AK8543
AKJ
N E S W
1D 2S* 3H 3S
?
*weak
What now?
4D.
Too big a chance of 6D and too little chance of a big penalty for me to
double. Will pass if partner repeats his hearts. I would expect pass
to be forcing but it does not get across the good 6 card diamond suit.
Under what theory would pass be forcing?
Carl
Unless you have some sort of special agreement about 3H, it is usually played as game forcing. That means pass of 3S is forcing.
judyorcarl@verizon.net
2017-12-18 14:15:37 UTC
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Matchpoints, bridge club Christmas evening (so partner and I might have been drinking :-)).
986
9
AK8543
AKJ
N E S W
1D 2S* 3H 3S
?
*weak
What now?
4D.
Too big a chance of 6D and too little chance of a big penalty for me to
double. Will pass if partner repeats his hearts. I would expect pass
to be forcing but it does not get across the good 6 card diamond suit.
Under what theory would pass be forcing?
Carl
Unless you have some sort of special agreement about 3H, it is usually played as game forcing. That means pass of 3S is forcing.
Leaving an impossible range of hands for the negative double.
Charles Brenner
2017-12-18 02:10:40 UTC
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Post by a***@yahoo.co.uk
Matchpoints, bridge club Christmas evening (so partner and I might have been drinking :-)).
986
9
AK8543
AKJ
N E S W
1D 2S* 3H 3S
?
*weak
What now?
Is double penalty? If so I like it. If not it's tougher.
Player
2017-12-18 04:48:55 UTC
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Close between pass, forcing of course, X and 4D. I will bid 4D.
a***@yahoo.co.uk
2017-12-18 14:18:26 UTC
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After the responses I'm a bit embarrassed to say that I did neither of those things, but bid 4C, thinking there is a good chance partner will give preference to diamonds if she has two of them, or rebid her hearts if she has a very good suit. In the event she raised to 5C which was passed out. The full deal was:

986
9
AK8543
AKJ
AQ4 KJT732
J862 T5
- QJ962
QT8753 -
5
AKQ743
T7
9642

Despite the 4-3 fit, when dummy came down it looked like the contract had play, although I was thinking it would be better to be in 4H. As it happens the 6-0 club break and the 5-0 diamond break put an end to any hopes of making, and I went two off for a near bottom. A heart contract can be limited to eight tricks on double dummy defense but those in hearts were making between 8 and 11 tricks. If I had managed to escape for one off it would have been a near average result. Note that if I double 3S and partner passes I will be putting 3SX= into the bridgemate.

I did consider both 4D and 4H but tried to be too clever, and paid the price.
Dave Flower
2017-12-18 20:23:42 UTC
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986
9
AK8543
AKJ
AQ4 KJT732
J862 T5
- QJ962
QT8753 -
5
AKQ743
T7
9642
Despite the 4-3 fit, when dummy came down it looked like the contract had play, although I was thinking it would be better to be in 4H. As it happens the 6-0 club break and the 5-0 diamond break put an end to any hopes of making, and I went two off for a near bottom. A heart contract can be limited to eight tricks on double dummy defense but those in hearts were making between 8 and 11 tricks. If I had managed to escape for one off it would have been a near average result. Note that if I double 3S and partner passes I will be putting 3SX= into the bridgemate.
I did consider both 4D and 4H but tried to be too clever, and paid the price.
Can 3S be made on a trump lead ?

Dave Flower
David Goldfarb
2017-12-19 06:53:26 UTC
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986
9
AK8543
AKJ
AQ4 KJT732
J862 T5
- QJ962
QT8753 -
5
AKQ743
T7
9642
Note that if I
double 3S and partner passes I will be putting 3SX= into the bridgemate.
Can 3S be made on a trump lead ?
At double-dummy, on a trump lead it makes with an overtrick. Ruff diamonds
as entries to ruff out the clubs, then use the South hand as a stepping
stone to a good heart and club. The only way to even hold it is to cash
two rounds of hearts on the go: but then it makes on the Dentist's Coup
against North, since the DT drops.
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p***@infi.net
2017-12-20 20:35:09 UTC
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Matchpoints, bridge club Christmas evening (so partner and I might have been drinking :-)).
986
9
AK8543
AKJ
N E S W
1D 2S* 3H 3S
?
*weak
What now?
I would double 3S. The only reason this hand is nasty is the two minor suit voids. Sometimes you have to pay off.
Mick Heins
2017-12-21 02:24:38 UTC
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Matchpoints, bridge club Christmas evening (so partner and I might have been drinking :-)).
986
9
AK8543
AKJ
N E S W
1D 2S* 3H 3S
?
*weak
What now?
Double in a voice of thunder. Well, I guess it's hard to do that
with bidding boxes.
--
Mickey

An empty head is not really empty; it is stuffed with rubbish. Hence
the difficulty of forcing anything into an empty head. -- Eric Hoffer
Jean Pierre Fontenille
2018-01-07 05:34:21 UTC
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What now?
Pass ! Huge misfit and opps may go down or make 4

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