Discussion:
Monday 6/3/17 novice hand 2
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Adam Lea
2017-03-07 23:10:34 UTC
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No-one vuln. You hold:

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Partner and RHO pass. What do you bid, and how do you plan to describe
your hand?
Douglas Newlands
2017-03-07 23:30:04 UTC
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Post by Adam Lea
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Partner and RHO pass. What do you bid, and how do you plan to describe
your hand?
You should specify scoring method tho I presume pairs.
Only two thoughts cross my mind: 5D and 6D and in a novice field 5D
is sufficient to end the auction.
6D is probably safer in a good pairs field (or at teams) where I
don't mind -100 or -300 which are the most likely outcomes and good
against their 4M contract.

doug
smn
2017-03-07 23:41:23 UTC
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Post by Adam Lea
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Partner and RHO pass. What do you bid, and how do you plan to describe
your hand?
Well I assume match point scoring . You have 10 tricks with 12hcp ,partner has at most 11 hcp ,he needs the heart A and club or heart K for a sure 12 tricks . opponents are favorite to hold alot of spades and -heart or club fit too for that matter well you get the idea . Open 5d is probably reasonable - I don't open 2c with 12hcp and 9 diamonds . smn
jogs
2017-03-07 23:51:57 UTC
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Post by Adam Lea
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Partner and RHO pass. What do you bid, and how do you plan to describe
your hand?
1D.

I filled in for a novice game. 2S+4. That was a top.
Love those plus scores.
Lorne Anderson
2017-03-07 23:54:20 UTC
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Post by Adam Lea
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Partner and RHO pass. What do you bid, and how do you plan to describe
your hand?
5D for me.

It is likely they can make 4H or 4S, but the 5 level might be a problem
for them if partner has 4 spades and they shoose them as trumps and if
they do not make game 5D should have chances (and may even be doubled on
a good day) so this gives me most chances of a plus.

Any slow auction will be ruined by the oppo so I see no advantage in
trying some cultured sequence to find a diamond slam which needs
specific cards in partners (passed) hand.
Player
2017-03-08 06:04:52 UTC
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Post by Adam Lea
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Partner and RHO pass. What do you bid, and how do you plan to describe
your hand?
5D for me at any scoring.
Adam Lea
2017-03-08 09:02:01 UTC
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Post by Adam Lea
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Partner and RHO pass. What do you bid, and how do you plan to describe
your hand?
Sorry, yes it was MP scoring. The novice on my right did open 5D which
ended the auction. I led the SA from AJT2 AJ642 6 Q54, dummy had both
major suit kings, and I found declarers void. Fortunately it didn't
cost, as declarer slipped up and discarded a heart instead of the losing
club on her SK. The full deal:

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Q876 AJT2
Q85 AJ642
74 6
K862 Q54
K9543
K97
Q
J973

Only one other pair bid 5D. One was in 7D*-3 and two were in 3D.
Douglas Newlands
2017-03-08 12:46:22 UTC
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Post by Adam Lea
Post by Adam Lea
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Partner and RHO pass. What do you bid, and how do you plan to describe
your hand?
Sorry, yes it was MP scoring. The novice on my right did open 5D which
ended the auction. I led the SA from AJT2 AJ642 6 Q54, dummy had both
major suit kings, and I found declarers void. Fortunately it didn't
cost, as declarer slipped up and discarded a heart instead of the losing
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T3
AKJT98532
AT
Q876 AJT2
Q85 AJ642
74 6
K862 Q54
K9543
K97
Q
J973
Only one other pair bid 5D. One was in 7D*-3 and two were in 3D.
The 'novice on your right' was obviously a better class of novice than
some of the rest of the field!

doug
Lorne Anderson
2017-03-08 14:41:33 UTC
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Post by Adam Lea
Post by Adam Lea
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Partner and RHO pass. What do you bid, and how do you plan to describe
your hand?
Sorry, yes it was MP scoring. The novice on my right did open 5D which
ended the auction. I led the SA from AJT2 AJ642 6 Q54, dummy had both
major suit kings, and I found declarers void. Fortunately it didn't
cost, as declarer slipped up and discarded a heart instead of the losing
-
T3
AKJT98532
AT
Q876 AJT2
Q85 AJ642
74 6
K862 Q54
K9543
K97
Q
J973
Only one other pair bid 5D. One was in 7D*-3 and two were in 3D.
Where do you live ? There must be more suitable clubs in the area where
a hand like this would be played in 5D+1 by nearly all the field unless
somebody finds a double dummy lead of a club or a save in 5H or leads a
heart for some reason.

You led what I would lead - the heart is more likely than the spade to
lead to a ruff follwed by useful discard.
jogs
2017-03-08 15:17:45 UTC
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Post by Lorne Anderson
Post by Adam Lea
Post by Adam Lea
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Partner and RHO pass. What do you bid, and how do you plan to describe
your hand?
Sorry, yes it was MP scoring. The novice on my right did open 5D which
ended the auction. I led the SA from AJT2 AJ642 6 Q54, dummy had both
major suit kings, and I found declarers void. Fortunately it didn't
cost, as declarer slipped up and discarded a heart instead of the losing
-
T3
AKJT98532
AT
Q876 AJT2
Q85 AJ642
74 6
K862 Q54
K9543
K97
Q
J973
Only one other pair bid 5D. One was in 7D*-3 and two were in 3D.
Where do you live ? There must be more suitable clubs in the area where
a hand like this would be played in 5D+1 by nearly all the field unless
somebody finds a double dummy lead of a club or a save in 5H or leads a
heart for some reason.
You led what I would lead - the heart is more likely than the spade to
lead to a ruff follwed by useful discard.
Adam, if you want to get better, you need higher level opponents.
If you can post, you should be able to play online.
It shouldn't take long to feel comfortable playing online.
Adam Lea
2017-03-08 20:19:36 UTC
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Post by jogs
Post by Lorne Anderson
Post by Adam Lea
Post by Adam Lea
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Partner and RHO pass. What do you bid, and how do you plan to describe
your hand?
Sorry, yes it was MP scoring. The novice on my right did open 5D which
ended the auction. I led the SA from AJT2 AJ642 6 Q54, dummy had both
major suit kings, and I found declarers void. Fortunately it didn't
cost, as declarer slipped up and discarded a heart instead of the losing
-
T3
AKJT98532
AT
Q876 AJT2
Q85 AJ642
74 6
K862 Q54
K9543
K97
Q
J973
Only one other pair bid 5D. One was in 7D*-3 and two were in 3D.
Where do you live ? There must be more suitable clubs in the area where
a hand like this would be played in 5D+1 by nearly all the field unless
somebody finds a double dummy lead of a club or a save in 5H or leads a
heart for some reason.
You led what I would lead - the heart is more likely than the spade to
lead to a ruff follwed by useful discard.
Adam, if you want to get better, you need higher level opponents.
If you can post, you should be able to play online.
It shouldn't take long to feel comfortable playing online.
I've tried online bridge before, I wasn't keen on it. Not due to the
bridge, but staring at cards on a screen working out how to proceed
doesn't do my eyes any good. It is much easier concentrating on real cards.

I live in West Sussex, SE England. I don't know of any strong clubs in
my location. The nearest I am aware of is the Avenue, but that is in
Brighton, a good 40 miles from my workplace, and impossible to get too
after work. The Young Chelsea is another 40+ miles in the other
direction, and equally impractical. Horsham, Dorking, Ellens Green and
West Sussex bridge clubs are the only ones I have experience with, and
they are much the same, a mixed field with a handful of strong pairs, a
few rabbits and the rest at varying degrees in between.

In the past when I had a regular partner I played with weekly we used to
enter the county competitions, which were somewhat stronger than the
average bridge club, and we didn't do too badly, although never won
anything. The higlight was when a team we were in knocked the favourites
out of the Sussex Championship Teams (they tried to be aggressive and
win the match in the first stanza, which backfired on them), and we got
to the final before being trounced. Since then I have gone off county
bridge, mainly because of the driving, the time it consumes, the
difficulty of playing in the evening with work commitments, and once
when the EBU drew us against a team from Folkestone, who chose a venue a
further 10 miles away, and it involved a 190 mile round trip picking up
teammates and dropping them back home afterwards, we lost that by 4
imps. Bridge is really a game optimised for retired people, which is why
you primarily get retired people playing.
Lorne Anderson
2017-03-09 00:04:19 UTC
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Post by Adam Lea
I live in West Sussex, SE England. I don't know of any strong clubs in
my location. The nearest I am aware of is the Avenue, but that is in
Brighton, a good 40 miles from my workplace, and impossible to get too
after work. The Young Chelsea is another 40+ miles in the other
direction, and equally impractical. Horsham, Dorking, Ellens Green and
West Sussex bridge clubs are the only ones I have experience with, and
they are much the same, a mixed field with a handful of strong pairs, a
few rabbits and the rest at varying degrees in between.
Young Chelsea is excellent and the Avenue very good but 40 miles is a
long way. I am surprised Horsham is not a good bet as I know a few good
players who I think play there - may be worth a try for a few nights.
Adam Lea
2017-03-09 11:29:15 UTC
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Post by Lorne Anderson
Post by Adam Lea
I live in West Sussex, SE England. I don't know of any strong clubs in
my location. The nearest I am aware of is the Avenue, but that is in
Brighton, a good 40 miles from my workplace, and impossible to get too
after work. The Young Chelsea is another 40+ miles in the other
direction, and equally impractical. Horsham, Dorking, Ellens Green and
West Sussex bridge clubs are the only ones I have experience with, and
they are much the same, a mixed field with a handful of strong pairs, a
few rabbits and the rest at varying degrees in between.
Young Chelsea is excellent and the Avenue very good but 40 miles is a
long way. I am surprised Horsham is not a good bet as I know a few good
players who I think play there - may be worth a try for a few nights.
I have been a member of Horsham since I moved here in 2002 (have been on
the committee a while). There are a few good pairs on a typical
Wednesday and Friday evening, but also a lot of weak or erratic players,
and sometimes it depends on what cards you pick up against what players.
If the technical hand comes up against the pair of grandmasters, I will
be getting a bottom, as it is likely no other pair will find the precise
play. The top members of Horsham BC hardly play club bridge at all, they
play in the county events, which consumes enough time that they don't
have the time for club bridge outside of practice session with their
regular partner.
jogs
2017-03-09 00:42:09 UTC
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Post by Adam Lea
Post by jogs
Adam, if you want to get better, you need higher level opponents.
If you can post, you should be able to play online.
It shouldn't take long to feel comfortable playing online.
I've tried online bridge before, I wasn't keen on it. Not due to the
bridge, but staring at cards on a screen working out how to proceed
doesn't do my eyes any good. It is much easier concentrating on real cards.
I don't know how old you are or if this is a physical problem.
But if it is mostly just not comfortable, practice should solve that problem.
Player
2017-03-09 07:52:35 UTC
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Post by jogs
Post by Adam Lea
Post by jogs
Adam, if you want to get better, you need higher level opponents.
If you can post, you should be able to play online.
It shouldn't take long to feel comfortable playing online.
I've tried online bridge before, I wasn't keen on it. Not due to the
bridge, but staring at cards on a screen working out how to proceed
doesn't do my eyes any good. It is much easier concentrating on real cards.
I don't know how old you are or if this is a physical problem.
But if it is mostly just not comfortable, practice should solve that problem.
I agree that ftf bridge is much more enjoyable. However in my current country of residence there is no ftf bridge. Adam, you might consider asking some posters here whether they would be prepared to play on line with you for a bit. Having a good partner helps. I have a semi regular partner on BBO, an Australian representative and we have some good games. If you happen to play against better opposition, they recognise they are having a good game and are often prepared to play for an hour or even longer.
Adam Lea
2017-03-08 20:24:27 UTC
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Post by jogs
Post by Lorne Anderson
Post by Adam Lea
Post by Adam Lea
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Partner and RHO pass. What do you bid, and how do you plan to describe
your hand?
Sorry, yes it was MP scoring. The novice on my right did open 5D which
ended the auction. I led the SA from AJT2 AJ642 6 Q54, dummy had both
major suit kings, and I found declarers void. Fortunately it didn't
cost, as declarer slipped up and discarded a heart instead of the losing
-
T3
AKJT98532
AT
Q876 AJT2
Q85 AJ642
74 6
K862 Q54
K9543
K97
Q
J973
Only one other pair bid 5D. One was in 7D*-3 and two were in 3D.
Where do you live ? There must be more suitable clubs in the area where
a hand like this would be played in 5D+1 by nearly all the field unless
somebody finds a double dummy lead of a club or a save in 5H or leads a
heart for some reason.
You led what I would lead - the heart is more likely than the spade to
lead to a ruff follwed by useful discard.
Adam, if you want to get better, you need higher level opponents.
If you can post, you should be able to play online.
It shouldn't take long to feel comfortable playing online.
This was a novice evening, and I was there both to direct and help the
novices i.e. give them advice when appropriate, I wouldn't otherwise
choose to play on such an evening.
KWSchneider
2017-03-08 16:27:03 UTC
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Post by Adam Lea
Post by Adam Lea
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AKJT98532
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Partner and RHO pass. What do you bid, and how do you plan to describe
your hand?
Sorry, yes it was MP scoring. The novice on my right did open 5D which
ended the auction. I led the SA from AJT2 AJ642 6 Q54, dummy had both
major suit kings, and I found declarers void. Fortunately it didn't
cost, as declarer slipped up and discarded a heart instead of the losing
-
T3
AKJT98532
AT
Q876 AJT2
Q85 AJ642
74 6
K862 Q54
K9543
K97
Q
J973
Only one other pair bid 5D. One was in 7D*-3 and two were in 3D.
With an auction like this, and a hand with Ace tenaces like yours, I would have lead a passive diamond. You expect that the 5D bidder owns the diamond suit and will have to develop outside tricks. Don't help him/her.

Kurt
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2017-03-08 17:07:22 UTC
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Post by Adam Lea
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Partner and RHO pass. What do you bid, and how do you plan to describe
your hand?
I could open 5D or 6D, but with both opps passing I am not so worried about their bidding to 5S. 1D probably followed by 5D.
Will in New Haven
2017-03-11 02:51:43 UTC
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Post by Adam Lea
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Partner and RHO pass. What do you bid, and how do you plan to describe
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I bid 5D. If we can make six, partner is never going to bid it but the opponents having a makeable high-level contract is more likely that his having the exact right cards for six.
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Steve Willner
2017-06-26 22:05:58 UTC
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An old thread but perhaps still worth a comment.
Post by Will in New Haven
Post by Adam Lea
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Partner and RHO pass.
I bid 5D. If we can make six, partner is never going to bid it but
the opponents having a makeable high-level contract is more likely
that his having the exact right cards for six.
While I largely agree with the sentiment, I don't think there's any
right answer with this hand. It all depends on who the opponents are
and to some extent on the form of scoring. I think Will's 5D choice
will be popular (as indeed it was among rgb commenters but apparently
not among the novices in the room), so I'd do something else in hopes of
a top. Against novices, 1D looks reasonable. Against players a stage
better than that, I might consider 2D, 3D, or 4D, hoping to get doubled
in 5D. Against experts, I agree with Douglas that 6D is worth
considering, but that will be a terrible score if others are buying the
contract in 5D.

All in all, "no right answer" is the best I can do.

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