Misbid by partner

[Tim DeLaney]

Neither Vul Matchpoints Club game

You hold:

KQ98543
Q
T876
4

W N E S
- P 2NT P
4H* P 6S! P
?

Your intention was to bid Blackwood, and bid 6S if not off two aces,
but partner surprises you, to say the least. Partner thought for
about 30 seconds before bidding 6S.

A 3H bid followed by a raise to 4S would have been a mild slam try and
your 4H bid is ostensibly no slam interest, unless followed by
Blackwood. (0314). Partner is a very good player subject to
occasional lapses. (Did I have to add that?)

It seems obvious that partner's 2NT bid was a misbid, and that she is
taking a stab at correcting it. Partner is quite disciplined, and not
subject to flights of fancy. The question is threefold:

1. Do you have UI here?
2. If so, does it suggest a raise, and is Pass a LA?
3. If you think there is no UI problem, do you raise?

Tim

[Adam Beneschan]

Neither Vul   Matchpoints  Club game
KQ98543
Q
T876
4
W    N    E    S
-    P    2NT  P
4H*  P    6S!  P
?
Your intention was to bid Blackwood, and bid 6S if not off two aces,
but partner surprises you, to say the least.  Partner thought for
about 30 seconds before bidding 6S.
A 3H bid followed by a raise to 4S would have been a mild slam try and
your 4H bid is ostensibly no slam interest, unless followed by
Blackwood. (0314).  Partner is a very good player subject to
occasional lapses. (Did I have to add that?)
It seems obvious that partner's 2NT bid was a misbid, and that she is
taking a stab at correcting it.  Partner is quite disciplined, and not
1. Do you have UI here?

Nothing that has any effect, IMHO.

Partner's hesitation suggests that she doesn't have one of the hands
on which 6S would be an obvious choice. Here is a list of all the
hands on which 6S *would* be obvious, so you have UI that she doesn't
have one of these hands:

End of list.

2. If so, does it suggest a raise, and is Pass a LA?
3. If you think there is no UI problem, do you raise?

With no aces and a second suit headed by the nothing... no. I know,
she could have everything else covered and be worried about a spade
loser. But I don't know what's going on, so I'm not going to play her
for that particular hand.

-- Adam

[h***@yahoo.com]

Neither Vul   Matchpoints  Club game
KQ98543
Q
T876
4
W    N    E    S
-    P    2NT  P
4H*  P    6S!  P
?
Your intention was to bid Blackwood, and bid 6S if not off two aces,
but partner surprises you, to say the least.  Partner thought for
about 30 seconds before bidding 6S.
A 3H bid followed by a raise to 4S would have been a mild slam try and
your 4H bid is ostensibly no slam interest, unless followed by
Blackwood. (0314).  Partner is a very good player subject to
occasional lapses. (Did I have to add that?)
It seems obvious that partner's 2NT bid was a misbid, and that she is
taking a stab at correcting it.  Partner is quite disciplined, and not
1. Do you have UI here?
2. If so, does it suggest a raise, and is Pass a LA?
3. If you think there is no UI problem, do you raise?
Tim

1. I don't think so. The very auction 2nt 4h* 6s says that something
has gone wrong. The fact that it took 30 seconds to decide whether to
bid 6s or something else does not seem to me to add anything
substantial to your authorized information.

2. Since I don't see any UI, I think that you are free to pass or bid
(but I would never do anything other than pass and hope).

Henrysun909

[Richard Pavlicek]

Post by Tim DeLaney
Neither Vul Matchpoints Club game
KQ98543
Q
T876
4
W N E S
- P 2NT P
4H* P 6S! P
?
Your intention was to bid Blackwood, and bid 6S if not off two aces,
but partner surprises you, to say the least. Partner thought for
about 30 seconds before bidding 6S.
A 3H bid followed by a raise to 4S would have been a mild slam try and
your 4H bid is ostensibly no slam interest, unless followed by
Blackwood. (0314). Partner is a very good player subject to
occasional lapses. (Did I have to add that?)
It seems obvious that partner's 2NT bid was a misbid, and that she is
taking a stab at correcting it. Partner is quite disciplined, and not
1. Do you have UI here?
2. If so, does it suggest a raise, and is Pass a LA?
3. If you think there is no UI problem, do you raise?

Automatic 7S. Only excuse for such a bid would be all four
aces and a source of tricks, maybe Axx Axx Ax AKQxx... so you
need a 4-3 club break; but after a safe red-suit lead and six
rounds of trumps, many players will pitch a club from five.

If you _passed_ 6S, there might be a case for using UI since
the pause suggests she didn't have her bid.

[h***@yahoo.com]

Neither Vul   Matchpoints  Club game
KQ98543
Q
T876
4
W    N    E    S
-    P    2NT  P
4H*  P    6S!  P
?
Your intention was to bid Blackwood, and bid 6S if not off two aces,
but partner surprises you, to say the least.  Partner thought for
about 30 seconds before bidding 6S.
A 3H bid followed by a raise to 4S would have been a mild slam try and
your 4H bid is ostensibly no slam interest, unless followed by
Blackwood. (0314).  Partner is a very good player subject to
occasional lapses. (Did I have to add that?)
It seems obvious that partner's 2NT bid was a misbid, and that she is
taking a stab at correcting it.  Partner is quite disciplined, and not
1. Do you have UI here?
2. If so, does it suggest a raise, and is Pass a LA?
3. If you think there is no UI problem, do you raise?

Automatic 7S.  Only excuse for such a bid would be all four
aces and a source of tricks, maybe Axx Axx Ax AKQxx... so you
need a 4-3 club break; but after a safe red-suit lead and six
rounds of trumps, many players will pitch a club from five.
If you _passed_ 6S, there might be a case for using UI since
the pause suggests she didn't have her bid.
--
Richard Pavlicek
Web site:http://www.rpbridge.net

Interesting. I was thinking that opener mis-sorted her cards, perhaps
having

Axxx
AKxx
x
AKQx

instead of

Axxx
Axx
Kx
AKQx

Henrysun909

[David Stevenson]

Post by h***@yahoo.com
Interesting. I was thinking that opener mis-sorted her cards, perhaps
having
Axxx
AKxx
x
AKQx
instead of
Axxx
Axx
Kx
AKQx

I did not mis-sort my hand the other day when I decided to open 1NT
[10-13] on

QJxx
A9xx
J
Axxx

but I had a problem when partner responded 2H [transfer], which RHO
doubled. Eventually I just bid 4S, but I was curious: do you think 4D
would have been a splinter?

[Kieran Dyke]

Post by David Stevenson

Post by h***@yahoo.com
Interesting. I was thinking that opener mis-sorted her cards, perhaps
having
Axxx
AKxx
x
AKQx
instead of
Axxx
Axx
Kx
AKQx

I did not mis-sort my hand the other day when I decided to open 1NT
[10-13] on
QJxx
A9xx
J
Axxx
but I had a problem when partner responded 2H [transfer], which RHO
doubled. Eventually I just bid 4S, but I was curious: do you think 4D
would have been a splinter?
--
David Stevenson Bridge RTFLB Cats Railways
Liverpool, England, UK Fax: [phone] ICQ: 20039682
Bridgepage: http://blakjak.org/brg_menu.htm

Playing with my wife, I opened 1NT with something like Axxx,Kxxx,A,AJxx. She
transferred to hearts, and I bid 4D as a splinter. The opponents asked and
my wife, who had never seen this bid before, said "splinter" as though it
were the most normal thing in the world. I think she can infer a diamond
holding of stiff ace, since a stiff king or queen would be unlikely to leave
me with a good enough hand.

Tiggrr

[Richard Pavlicek]

Playing with my wife, I opened 1NT with something like Axxx,Kxxx,A,AJxx. She transferred to hearts, and I bid 4D as a
splinter. The opponents asked and my wife, who had never seen this bid before, said "splinter" ...

Conversation should have continued:

Opponent: Splinter? Where, in diamonds?
Mrs. Dyke: No, silly. In his cranium.

-RP

[Eric Leong]

Neither Vul   Matchpoints  Club game
KQ98543
Q
T876
4
W    N    E    S
-    P    2NT  P
4H*  P    6S!  P
?
Your intention was to bid Blackwood, and bid 6S if not off two aces,
but partner surprises you, to say the least.  Partner thought for
about 30 seconds before bidding 6S.
A 3H bid followed by a raise to 4S would have been a mild slam try and
your 4H bid is ostensibly no slam interest, unless followed by
Blackwood. (0314).  Partner is a very good player subject to
occasional lapses. (Did I have to add that?)
It seems obvious that partner's 2NT bid was a misbid, and that she is
taking a stab at correcting it.  Partner is quite disciplined, and not
1. Do you have UI here?
2. If so, does it suggest a raise, and is Pass a LA?
3. If you think there is no UI problem, do you raise?

Automatic 7S.  Only excuse for such a bid would be all four
aces and a source of tricks, maybe Axx Axx Ax AKQxx... so you
need a 4-3 club break; but after a safe red-suit lead and six
rounds of trumps, many players will pitch a club from five.
If you _passed_ 6S, there might be a case for using UI since
the pause suggests she didn't have her bid.
--
Richard Pavlicek
Web site:http://www.rpbridge.net- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Obvious 7S bid? I don't see why opener couldn't have bid that way with
something like: S Axxx H Ax D AKx C AKxx. It is not as if you
couldn't have had something like: S KJ10xxx H xxx D xx C xx.
Further, with:
S Axx H Axx D Ax C AKQxx instead of bidding 6S why wouldn't you
just bid 4NT as RKCB? When you find out partner has the spade king
and queen you can issue a grand slam invitation.

Eric Leong

[Richard Pavlicek]

Post by Eric Leong
Obvious 7S bid? I don't see why opener couldn't have bid that way with
something like: S Axxx H Ax D AKx C AKxx. It is not as if you
couldn't have had something like: S KJ10xxx H xxx D xx C xx.

Or the red suits switched and down. There is little guideline
for these unusual bids... perhaps 5S is right with your example;
but even if you get to seven it's not hopeless (squeeze chances)
and in a strong field 6S would lose some matchpoints anyway to
those in 6NT.

Post by Eric Leong
S Axx H Axx D Ax C AKQxx instead of bidding 6S why wouldn't you
just bid 4NT as RKCB? When you find out partner has the spade king
and queen you can issue a grand slam invitation.

Six is a picture bid to me, so why mess around? Maybe partner
has Kxxxxx x xxx xxx, and 5D gets doubled; then you're down with
3-1 spades when any other lead makes (with clubs 3-2).

[Tim DeLaney]

Neither Vul   Matchpoints  Club game
KQ98543
Q
T876
4
W    N    E    S
-    P    2NT  P
4H*  P    6S!  P
?
Your intention was to bid Blackwood, and bid 6S if not off two aces,
but partner surprises you, to say the least.  Partner thought for
about 30 seconds before bidding 6S.
A 3H bid followed by a raise to 4S would have been a mild slam try and
your 4H bid is ostensibly no slam interest, unless followed by
Blackwood. (0314).  Partner is a very good player subject to
occasional lapses. (Did I have to add that?)
It seems obvious that partner's 2NT bid was a misbid, and that she is
taking a stab at correcting it.  Partner is quite disciplined, and not
1. Do you have UI here?
2. If so, does it suggest a raise, and is Pass a LA?
3. If you think there is no UI problem, do you raise?

Automatic 7S.  Only excuse for such a bid would be all four
aces and a source of tricks, maybe Axx Axx Ax AKQxx... so you
need a 4-3 club break; but after a safe red-suit lead and six
rounds of trumps, many players will pitch a club from five.
If you _passed_ 6S, there might be a case for using UI since
the pause suggests she didn't have her bid.
--
Richard Pavlicek
Web site:http://www.rpbridge.net- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Partner of doom indeed! My wife is arguably the most successful
player in our club, on a rank/session basis. Harrumph!

On this occasion, having opened 2NT on AJx AKxx AK AQxx (by mistake),
she later confessed to missing the master bid: 5NT (GSF)! Wow! That
would have been the auction of the year!

On reflection, I think there is no ethical problem bidding 7S, which I
felt in my bones must be right. Surely, pard has all the aces for
this bidding. My lack of confidence was costly. We were slightly
below average on this board.

Tim

[Adam Beneschan]

Post by Tim DeLaney
On reflection, I think there is no ethical problem bidding 7S, which I
felt in my bones must be right.  Surely, pard has all the aces for
this bidding.  My lack of confidence was costly.

"My lack of confidence was costly", rather than "Partner's idiotic
misbid was costly". What a gentleman. I wish more married couples
were that gracious toward each other when playing together. Kudos.

P.S. I don't think there's an ethical problem with *any* legal call on
this hand, but my bones' intuition seems to be different from yours.
You might be right, though. Even with all the aces, my concern was
about diamond losers, and I can construct a few hands partner might
have had with the same point count in which 13 tricks is shaky (AJx
AJxx AQ AKQx).

-- Adam

[Mark Brader]

Post by Richard Pavlicek

Post by Tim DeLaney
Neither Vul Matchpoints Club game
KQ98543
Q
T876
4
W N E S
- P 2NT P
4H* P 6S! P
?
Your intention was to bid Blackwood, and bid 6S if not off two aces,
but partner surprises you, to say the least. Partner thought for
about 30 seconds before bidding 6S.
...
It seems obvious that partner's 2NT bid was a misbid, and that she is
taking a stab at correcting it. Partner is quite disciplined, and not
1. Do you have UI here?

No. If 6S is an impossible bid in our system, the fact that partner
hesitated before making it is no surprise. There might be UI if 6S
had been bid *in tempo*.

Post by Richard Pavlicek

Post by Tim DeLaney
2. If so, does it suggest a raise, and is Pass a LA?

Mu.

Post by Richard Pavlicek

Post by Tim DeLaney
3. If you think there is no UI problem, do you raise?

No. I'm guessing that partner had a hand that looked balanced until
he realized that there were only three different suits. We are out of
the realm of scientific bidding and since *I* actually have my bid, I'll
go with his guess.

Post by Richard Pavlicek
Automatic 7S. Only excuse for such a bid would be all four
aces and a source of tricks, maybe Axx Axx Ax AKQxx...

If that sort of bidding was part of their system, Tim would not have
said that presumably there had been a mistake. And what sort of
bidding is part of their system is authorized information.

[David Flower]

Neither Vul � Matchpoints �Club game
KQ98543
Q
T876
4
W � �N � �E � �S
- � �P � �2NT �P
4H* �P � �6S! �P
?
Your intention was to bid Blackwood, and bid 6S if not off two aces,
but partner surprises you, to say the least. �Partner thought for
about 30 seconds before bidding 6S.
A 3H bid followed by a raise to 4S would have been a mild slam try and
your 4H bid is ostensibly no slam interest, unless followed by
Blackwood. (0314). �Partner is a very good player subject to
occasional lapses. (Did I have to add that?)
It seems obvious that partner's 2NT bid was a misbid, and that she is
taking a stab at correcting it. �Partner is quite disciplined, and not
1. Do you have UI here?
2. If so, does it suggest a raise, and is Pass a LA?
3. If you think there is no UI problem, do you raise?
Tim

1) Obviously you have UI.

2) I haven't a clue what partner has - maybe he has a 4324 hand, with
the diamonds looking suspiciously heart-shaped !

3) I do not raise. Not only does partner have to hold four aces, but
there is the problem of the second, third and fourth round of
diamonds.

Dave Flower

[boblipton]

Post by Tim DeLaney
Neither Vul Matchpoints Club game
KQ98543
Q
T876
4
W N E S
- P 2NT P
4H* P 6S! P
?
Your intention was to bid Blackwood, and bid 6S if not off two aces,
but partner surprises you, to say the least. Partner thought for
about 30 seconds before bidding 6S.
A 3H bid followed by a raise to 4S would have been a mild slam try and
your 4H bid is ostensibly no slam interest, unless followed by
Blackwood. (0314). Partner is a very good player subject to
occasional lapses. (Did I have to add that?)
It seems obvious that partner's 2NT bid was a misbid, and that she is
taking a stab at correcting it. Partner is quite disciplined, and not
1. Do you have UI here?
2. If so, does it suggest a raise, and is Pass a LA?
3. If you think there is no UI problem, do you raise?
Tim

I think partner could be showing any of several hands consistent with
opening 2NT..... for example AJTxxx AKxx A Axxx and could be shooting
here reasonably. And 7 Spades could make. Or the minor might be
reversed and now what do you do? So you may, if you wish, bid 7. But
I would pass.

Bob

[Adam Beneschan]

Post by boblipton

Post by Tim DeLaney
It seems obvious that partner's 2NT bid was a misbid, and that she is
taking a stab at correcting it.  Partner is quite disciplined, and not
1. Do you have UI here?
2. If so, does it suggest a raise, and is Pass a LA?
3. If you think there is no UI problem, do you raise?
Tim

I think partner could be showing any of several hands consistent with
opening 2NT..... for example AJTxxx AKxx A Axxx and could be shooting
here reasonably.  

It does make sense that partner would have rebid 6S instead of 4S with
that hand, since 15-card hands usually produce two extra tricks.

-- Adam

[b***@gmail.com]

Neither Vul   Matchpoints  Club game
KQ98543
Q
T876
4
W    N    E    S
-    P    2NT  P
4H*  P    6S!  P
?
Your intention was to bid Blackwood, and bid 6S if not off two aces,
but partner surprises you, to say the least.  Partner thought for
about 30 seconds before bidding 6S.
A 3H bid followed by a raise to 4S would have been a mild slam try and
your 4H bid is ostensibly no slam interest, unless followed by
Blackwood. (0314).  Partner is a very good player subject to
occasional lapses. (Did I have to add that?)
It seems obvious that partner's 2NT bid was a misbid, and that she is
taking a stab at correcting it.  Partner is quite disciplined, and not
1. Do you have UI here?
2. If so, does it suggest a raise, and is Pass a LA?
3. If you think there is no UI problem, do you raise?
Tim

I suggest pass.
Why not?
S Axxx H Kx D A C AKJxxx. I am right siding the contract after all, I
am limited partner won't bid 7.
What the hell, it might make.
:-)

Boris

[Richard Pavlicek]

For the sequence:

: 2NT 4H (Texas)
: 6S

Post by b***@gmail.com
S Axxx H Kx D A C AKJxxx.

This thread certainly has evoked some strange 2NT openers;
but even so, wouldn't this one be ideal for 4NT (RKCB)?

It follows that when responder is looking at the SK, he can
logically conclude that opener has all four aces.

[b***@gmail.com]

: 2NT  4H (Texas)
: 6S

Post by b***@gmail.com
S Axxx H Kx D A C AKJxxx.

This thread certainly has evoked some strange 2NT openers;
but even so, wouldn't this one be ideal for 4NT (RKCB)?
It follows that when responder is looking at the SK, he can
logically conclude that opener has all four aces.
--
Richard Pavlicek
Web site:http://www.rpbridge.net

Yes, but who is holding the club queen? :-) Are we looking for 7? The
paradox is that this hand is offensively too strong for a 2N opener
and too weak for a 2C opening bid, not to mention the possible
difficulties in finding the right strain after such an opening. Also
can easily make game with as little as S Jxx H Qxx D Jxxx C xxx in
partner's hand.

Regards
Boris

[b***@gmail.com]

: 2NT  4H (Texas)
: 6S

Post by b***@gmail.com
S Axxx H Kx D A C AKJxxx.

This thread certainly has evoked some strange 2NT openers;
but even so, wouldn't this one be ideal for 4NT (RKCB)?
It follows that when responder is looking at the SK, he can
logically conclude that opener has all four aces.
--
Richard Pavlicek
Web site:http://www.rpbridge.net

Basically the main idea is right siding any contract, 3NT also,
protecting the HK.

Boris

[t]

Neither Vul   Matchpoints  Club game
KQ98543
Q
T876
4
W    N    E    S
-    P    2NT  P
4H*  P    6S!  P
?
Your intention was to bid Blackwood, and bid 6S if not off two aces,
but partner surprises you, to say the least.  Partner thought for
about 30 seconds before bidding 6S.
A 3H bid followed by a raise to 4S would have been a mild slam try and
your 4H bid is ostensibly no slam interest, unless followed by
Blackwood. (0314).  Partner is a very good player subject to
occasional lapses. (Did I have to add that?)
It seems obvious that partner's 2NT bid was a misbid, and that she is
taking a stab at correcting it.  Partner is quite disciplined, and not
1. Do you have UI here?

I don't think so partner was clearly choosing between 4S and 6S and
choosing 6S in tempo would put you in the same bind you are in now.

2. If so, does it suggest a raise, and is Pass a LA?

It is a unilateral action and pass IMO is the only LA. I can construct
too many hands where your side is missing an A but a unilateral 6S
makes sense.

3. If you think there is no UI problem, do you raise?

I prefer to let partner's stew in the pot of their own choosing.

Tim