(1C) - 1D - (1H) - ?

[dfm]

LHO deals. The auction starts (1C) - 1D - (1H) - ?

What are (a) the standard meanings and (b) your preferred meanings of Dbl, 1S, 2C, and 2H?

If it matters, assume both sides are playing Standard American or 2/1 GF.

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LHO deals. The auction starts (1C) - 1D - (1H) - ?
What are (a) the standard meanings and (b) your preferred meanings of Dbl, 1S, 2C, and 2H?
If it matters, assume both sides are playing Standard American or 2/1 GF.

(b)
Double shows spades
1S shows spades and 3-card diamonds support
2C good 3-card diamond raise, might be 4 cards if balanced
2H good 4-card diamond raise

[jogs]

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Post by dfm
LHO deals. The auction starts (1C) - 1D - (1H) - ?
What are (a) the standard meanings and (b) your preferred meanings of Dbl, 1S, 2C, and 2H?
If it matters, assume both sides are playing Standard American or 2/1 GF.

(b)
Double shows spades
1S shows spades and 3-card diamonds support
2C good 3-card diamond raise, might be 4 cards if balanced
2H good 4-card diamond raise

I can't navigate the ACBL website. Does the ACBL posts an official version of 2/1 or SAYC anywhere?

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Post by dfm
LHO deals. The auction starts (1C) - 1D - (1H) - ?
What are (a) the standard meanings and (b) your preferred meanings of Dbl, 1S, 2C, and 2H?
If it matters, assume both sides are playing Standard American or 2/1 GF.

(b)
Double shows spades
1S shows spades and 3-card diamonds support
2C good 3-card diamond raise, might be 4 cards if balanced
2H good 4-card diamond raise

I can't navigate the ACBL website. Does the ACBL posts an official version of 2/1 or SAYC anywhere?

http://web2.acbl.org/documentlibrary/play/SP3%20(bk)%20single%20pages.pdf

[p***@infi.net]

Post by dfm
LHO deals. The auction starts (1C) - 1D - (1H) - ?
What are (a) the standard meanings and (b) your preferred meanings of Dbl, 1S, 2C, and 2H?
If it matters, assume both sides are playing Standard American or 2/1 GF.

Old Standard would have double for penalty and 1S non-forcing but constructive, essentially a spade overcall. Few these days would expect double to be penalty; I would expect four spades. I prefer new suit forcing after an overcall but most experts play non-forcing constructive. It is not necessary for both cue-bids to be artificial; 2C as a diamond raise and 2H natural -- a good six-card suit -- seems reasonable.

[Will in New Haven]

Post by dfm
LHO deals. The auction starts (1C) - 1D - (1H) - ?
What are (a) the standard meanings and (b) your preferred meanings of Dbl, 1S, 2C, and 2H?
If it matters, assume both sides are playing Standard American or 2/1 GF.

A: Double is some sort of takeout including Spades. It may show Diamond support as well or it may deny it.
1S is a one-round force. If Double showed Diamond support as well as Spades, the 1S bid denies Diamond support. If it denied Diamond support, the 1S bid should show it.
2C: A cue-bid with Diamond support
2H: A cue-bid with more Diamond support or showing Hearts, depending on partnership agreement.

B: Double shows four or more Spades and enough strength to get into the auction but warns against a Spade lead from a risky holding.
1S is a one-round force, shows Spades and can stand the lead.
2C: A cue-bid with Diamond support.
2H: Natural

[Steve Willner]

Post by dfm
LHO deals. The auction starts (1C) - 1D - (1H) - ?
What are (a) the standard meanings and (b) your preferred meanings of Dbl, 1S, 2C, and 2H?

Not sure about standard. For most partnerships, I like the meanings to
be the same as if the 1C opener had passed, e.g., 1S is natural and
shows 5c, double shows 4c spades, etc. In a dedicated partnership,
Frances' meanings may be better, though there is value in a natural 2C
bid if the opening can be short.

I'm not sure why we'd need a natural 2H bid more than a natural 2C.

One thing to notice is that the 1D overcall should always be sound
because it takes away no space from the opponents but may help them in
the play. That can only be worthwhile if there's a good chance of
buying the contract.

[Will in New Haven]

Post by Steve Willner

Post by dfm
LHO deals. The auction starts (1C) - 1D - (1H) - ?
What are (a) the standard meanings and (b) your preferred meanings of
Dbl, 1S, 2C, and 2H?

Not sure about standard. For most partnerships, I like the meanings to
be the same as if the 1C opener had passed, e.g., 1S is natural and
shows 5c, double shows 4c spades, etc. In a dedicated partnership,
Frances' meanings may be better, though there is value in a natural 2C
bid if the opening can be short.
I'm not sure why we'd need a natural 2H bid more than a natural 2C.

Three reasons why I think we do:
1: People respond 1H on xxxx
2: Partner is somewhat more likely to have Heart support than Club support when he or she bids over 1C.
3: Finding a way to play in a Major is more valuable. Even leaving aside game bidding, it is easier to buy the contract and it pays more.
Another reason is to have a simple rule and one possible simple rule is "suit bid on my left is the cue, suit bid on my right is natural.

Post by Steve Willner
One thing to notice is that the 1D overcall should always be sound
because it takes away no space from the opponents but may help them in
the play. That can only be worthwhile if there's a good chance of
buying the contract.

[Fred.]

Post by Will in New Haven

Post by Steve Willner

Post by dfm
LHO deals. The auction starts (1C) - 1D - (1H) - ?
What are (a) the standard meanings and (b) your preferred meanings of
Dbl, 1S, 2C, and 2H?

Not sure about standard. For most partnerships, I like the meanings to
be the same as if the 1C opener had passed, e.g., 1S is natural and
shows 5c, double shows 4c spades, etc. In a dedicated partnership,
Frances' meanings may be better, though there is value in a natural 2C
bid if the opening can be short.
I'm not sure why we'd need a natural 2H bid more than a natural 2C.

1: People respond 1H on xxxx
2: Partner is somewhat more likely to have Heart support than Club support when he or she bids over 1C.
3: Finding a way to play in a Major is more valuable. Even leaving aside game bidding, it is easier to buy the contract and it pays more.
Another reason is to have a simple rule and one possible simple rule is "suit bid on my left is the cue, suit bid on my right is natural.

Post by Steve Willner
One thing to notice is that the 1D overcall should always be sound
because it takes away no space from the opponents but may help them in
the play. That can only be worthwhile if there's a good chance of
buying the contract.

--
Will now in Pompano Beach
It's 57 degrees here in south Florida. Send hot soup, warm clothing and blankets.

Enjoy the uncrowded beach like a northerner. Just put up a wind break
and sun bathe.

Fred.

[smn]

Post by dfm
LHO deals. The auction starts (1C) - 1D - (1H) - ?
What are (a) the standard meanings and (b) your preferred meanings of Dbl, 1S, 2C, and 2H?
If it matters, assume both sides are playing Standard American or 2/1 GF.

1s at least 5 spades not forcing (FOR ME check convention card box for constructive or forcing) ;2c (FOR ME lim raise or better in diamonds ) but for beginners may be a strong hand asking partner to bid -maybe with 4 spades ) ; 2h for me natural showing good hearts 6 or good 5 over the heart bidder but play it differently -like a cue bid . Double has no standard meaning ;a convention snapdragon of Hardy plays it the 4th suit spades with diamond tolerance (at least 2 diamonds) with 1s showing spades with no diamond tolerance . smn