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A Hand that Would Have Pleased My Late Partner Brian
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Will in New Haven
2017-03-25 03:58:16 UTC
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Brian, who isn't with us anymore, always disliked the fact that Key Card methods kept one from playing six of a suit on a trump finesse. I told him that those only made half the time and he agreed but felt that it stifled ones spirit of adventure. I don't play much anymore but I was on BBO with Deb, my last regular partner, and we had a slam hand where we were missing only one key card. So we stopped at six. The card we were missing was the King of trumps.

We had a twelve-card fit.
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Will now in Pompano Beach
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2017-03-25 09:49:57 UTC
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Post by Will in New Haven
Brian, who isn't with us anymore, always disliked the fact that Key Card methods kept one from playing six of a suit on a trump finesse. I told him that those only made half the time and he agreed but felt that it stifled ones spirit of adventure. I don't play much anymore but I was on BBO with Deb, my last regular partner, and we had a slam hand where we were missing only one key card. So we stopped at six. The card we were missing was the King of trumps.
We had a twelve-card fit.
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Will now in Pompano Beach
Did the finesse work?
John Hall
2017-03-25 10:34:42 UTC
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Post by Will in New Haven
Brian, who isn't with us anymore, always disliked the fact that Key
Card methods kept one from playing six of a suit on a trump finesse. I
told him that those only made half the time and he agreed but felt
that it stifled ones spirit of adventure. I don't play much anymore
but I was on BBO with Deb, my last regular partner, and we had a slam
hand where we were missing only one key card. So we stopped at six.
The card we were missing was the King of trumps.
We had a twelve-card fit.
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Will now in Pompano Beach
Did the finesse work?
LOL!
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John Hall
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for a hand-held iguana maker"
Hobbes (the tiger, not the philosopher!)
richlp
2017-03-27 05:11:27 UTC
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Post by Will in New Haven
Brian, who isn't with us anymore, always disliked the fact that Key Card methods kept one from playing six of a suit on a trump finesse. I told him that those only made half the time and he agreed but felt that it stifled ones spirit of adventure. I don't play much anymore but I was on BBO with Deb, my last regular partner, and we had a slam hand where we were missing only one key card. So we stopped at six. The card we were missing was the King of trumps.
We had a twelve-card fit.
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Will now in Pompano Beach
Did the finesse work?
Don't remember the exact issue, but there was a Bridge World article several years ago (6????) by John Carruthers in which the concession of a trump trick holding 12 trumps played a major role. One of my favorite bridge articles of all time.
judyorcarl@verizon.net
2017-03-27 13:43:13 UTC
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Brian, who isn't with us anymore, always disliked the fact that Key Card methods kept one from playing six of a suit on a trump finesse. I told him that those only made half the time and he agreed but felt that it stifled ones spirit of adventure. I don't play much anymore but I was on BBO with Deb, my last regular partner, and we had a slam hand where we were missing only one key card. So we stopped at six. The card we were missing was the King of trumps.
We had a twelve-card fit.
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Will now in Pompano Beach
Did the finesse work?
Don't remember the exact issue, but there was a Bridge World article several years ago (6????) by John Carruthers in which the concession of a trump trick holding 12 trumps played a major role. One of my favorite bridge articles of all time.
Speaking of BW articles, Jeff Rubens wrote about blackwood fine-tuning. Long enough ago that it was the introduction of the term kickback.

He described methods for detecting 11 trumps when queen was missing or 12 trumps when king was missing.

Carl
jogs
2017-03-27 23:32:10 UTC
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Post by Will in New Haven
Brian, who isn't with us anymore, always disliked the fact that Key Card methods kept one from playing six of a suit on a trump finesse. I told him that those only made half the time and he agreed but felt that it stifled ones spirit of adventure. I don't play much anymore but I was on BBO with Deb, my last regular partner, and we had a slam hand where we were missing only one key card. So we stopped at six. The card we were missing was the King of trumps.
We had a twelve-card fit.
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Will now in Pompano Beach
Did the finesse work?
Don't remember the exact issue, but there was a Bridge World article several years ago (6????) by John Carruthers in which the concession of a trump trick holding 12 trumps played a major role. One of my favorite bridge articles of all time.
Speaking of BW articles, Jeff Rubens wrote about blackwood fine-tuning. Long enough ago that it was the introduction of the term kickback.
He described methods for detecting 11 trumps when queen was missing or 12 trumps when king was missing.
Carl
Pretty sure you should be willing to bid 7 with 10 trumps without the queen.
judyorcarl@verizon.net
2017-03-28 00:31:10 UTC
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Post by Will in New Haven
Brian, who isn't with us anymore, always disliked the fact that Key Card methods kept one from playing six of a suit on a trump finesse. I told him that those only made half the time and he agreed but felt that it stifled ones spirit of adventure. I don't play much anymore but I was on BBO with Deb, my last regular partner, and we had a slam hand where we were missing only one key card. So we stopped at six. The card we were missing was the King of trumps.
We had a twelve-card fit.
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Will now in Pompano Beach
Did the finesse work?
Don't remember the exact issue, but there was a Bridge World article several years ago (6????) by John Carruthers in which the concession of a trump trick holding 12 trumps played a major role. One of my favorite bridge articles of all time.
Speaking of BW articles, Jeff Rubens wrote about blackwood fine-tuning. Long enough ago that it was the introduction of the term kickback.
He described methods for detecting 11 trumps when queen was missing or 12 trumps when king was missing.
Carl
Pretty sure you should be willing to bid 7 with 10 trumps without the queen.
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Douglas Newlands
2017-03-28 00:46:16 UTC
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Post by Will in New Haven
Brian, who isn't with us anymore, always disliked the fact that Key Card methods kept one from playing six of a suit on a trump finesse. I told him that those only made half the time and he agreed but felt that it stifled ones spirit of adventure. I don't play much anymore but I was on BBO with Deb, my last regular partner, and we had a slam hand where we were missing only one key card. So we stopped at six. The card we were missing was the King of trumps.
We had a twelve-card fit.
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Will now in Pompano Beach
Did the finesse work?
Don't remember the exact issue, but there was a Bridge World article several years ago (6????) by John Carruthers in which the concession of a trump trick holding 12 trumps played a major role. One of my favorite bridge articles of all time.
Speaking of BW articles, Jeff Rubens wrote about blackwood fine-tuning. Long enough ago that it was the introduction of the term kickback.
He described methods for detecting 11 trumps when queen was missing or 12 trumps when king was missing.
Carl
Pretty sure you should be willing to bid 7 with 10 trumps without the queen.
no
89% chance of picking up the queen seems good enough for a grand slam.

doug
Travis Crump
2017-03-28 02:29:56 UTC
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Post by Will in New Haven
Brian, who isn't with us anymore, always disliked the fact that
Key Card methods kept one from playing six of a suit on a trump
finesse. I told him that those only made half the time and he
agreed but felt that it stifled ones spirit of adventure. I don't
play much anymore but I was on BBO with Deb, my last regular
partner, and we had a slam hand where we were missing only one
key card. So we stopped at six. The card we were missing was the
King of trumps.
We had a twelve-card fit.
--
Will now in Pompano Beach
Did the finesse work?
Don't remember the exact issue, but there was a Bridge World
article several years ago (6????) by John Carruthers in which the
concession of a trump trick holding 12 trumps played a major role.
One of my favorite bridge articles of all time.
Speaking of BW articles, Jeff Rubens wrote about blackwood
fine-tuning. Long enough ago that it was the introduction of the
term kickback.
He described methods for detecting 11 trumps when queen was missing
or 12 trumps when king was missing.
Carl
Pretty sure you should be willing to bid 7 with 10 trumps without the queen.
no
89% chance of picking up the queen seems good enough for a grand slam.
doug
Assuming you have either the JT or the J in a hand with a higher honor.
Douglas Newlands
2017-03-28 03:27:50 UTC
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Post by Will in New Haven
Brian, who isn't with us anymore, always disliked the fact that
Key Card methods kept one from playing six of a suit on a trump
finesse. I told him that those only made half the time and he
agreed but felt that it stifled ones spirit of adventure. I don't
play much anymore but I was on BBO with Deb, my last regular
partner, and we had a slam hand where we were missing only one
key card. So we stopped at six. The card we were missing was the
King of trumps.
We had a twelve-card fit.
--
Will now in Pompano Beach
Did the finesse work?
Don't remember the exact issue, but there was a Bridge World
article several years ago (6????) by John Carruthers in which the
concession of a trump trick holding 12 trumps played a major role.
One of my favorite bridge articles of all time.
Speaking of BW articles, Jeff Rubens wrote about blackwood
fine-tuning. Long enough ago that it was the introduction of the
term kickback.
He described methods for detecting 11 trumps when queen was missing
or 12 trumps when king was missing.
Carl
Pretty sure you should be willing to bid 7 with 10 trumps without the queen.
no
89% chance of picking up the queen seems good enough for a grand slam.
Assuming you have either the JT or the J in a hand with a higher honor.
Yes but 78% for 2-1 without any of QJ10 is more than good enough for a
grand slam despite your correct caveats about the extra chances when
they are 3-0.

doug
Steve Willner
2017-03-29 21:19:33 UTC
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Post by jogs
Pretty sure you should be willing to bid 7 with 10 trumps without the queen.
Nine trumps are enough if you don't tell the opponents you are missing
the queen (and there are no other problems). If a trump isn't led, you
pretty much know which hand the queen is in.
judyorcarl@verizon.net
2017-03-29 21:29:22 UTC
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Post by jogs
Pretty sure you should be willing to bid 7 with 10 trumps without the queen.
Nine trumps are enough if you don't tell the opponents you are missing
the queen (and there are no other problems). If a trump isn't led, you
pretty much know which hand the queen is in.
you are almost never certain in the auction that side loser is impossible.

even with 11 trumps, opening lead can be trumped.

Carl
Will in New Haven
2017-03-29 23:56:02 UTC
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Pretty sure you should be willing to bid 7 with 10 trumps without the queen.
Nine trumps are enough if you don't tell the opponents you are missing
the queen (and there are no other problems). If a trump isn't led, you
pretty much know which hand the queen is in.
you are almost never certain in the auction that side loser is impossible.
even with 11 trumps, opening lead can be trumped.
From a different card game, Tarok.
"I have never found the Scuse in the talon."
"That's because you never bid without the Scuse."
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Will now in Pompano Beach
John Hall
2017-03-30 09:39:10 UTC
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Post by Will in New Haven
From a different card game, Tarok.
"I have never found the Scuse in the talon."
"That's because you never bid without the Scuse."
Could we have a translation, please? :)
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John Hall
"One can certainly imagine the myriad of uses
for a hand-held iguana maker"
Hobbes (the tiger, not the philosopher!)
Will in New Haven
2017-03-30 20:24:03 UTC
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Post by Will in New Haven
From a different card game, Tarok.
"I have never found the Scuse in the talon."
"That's because you never bid without the Scuse."
Could we have a translation, please? :)
The Scuse is the top trump and the Talon is a three-card (six-card in some games) group of cards that the successful bidder gets to use to replace cards in his or her hand.

The first speaker is usually spoken as an old man with a German accent, for some reason. Basically, he never bids without the top trump.
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Will now in Pompano Beach

John Hall
2017-03-30 20:45:58 UTC
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Post by Will in New Haven
From a different card game, Tarok.
"I have never found the Scuse in the talon."
"That's because you never bid without the Scuse."
Could we have a translation, please? :)
The Scuse is the top trump and the Talon is a three-card (six-card in
some games) group of cards that the successful bidder gets to use to
replace cards in his or her hand.
The first speaker is usually spoken as an old man with a German accent,
for some reason. Basically, he never bids without the top trump.
Thanks.
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John Hall
"One can certainly imagine the myriad of uses
for a hand-held iguana maker"
Hobbes (the tiger, not the philosopher!)
jogs
2017-03-25 14:05:52 UTC
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Post by Will in New Haven
Brian, who isn't with us anymore, always disliked the fact that Key Card methods kept one from playing six of a suit on a trump finesse. I told him that those only made half the time and he agreed but felt that it stifled ones spirit of adventure. I don't play much anymore but I was on BBO with Deb, my last regular partner, and we had a slam hand where we were missing only one key card. So we stopped at six. The card we were missing was the King of trumps.
We had a twelve-card fit.
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Will now in Pompano Beach
If you were playing simple blackwood, you would have been in 7.
p***@gmail.com
2017-03-29 16:21:52 UTC
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I once held a suit of AKQJxxxx which did not run.
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