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Bidding quiz
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Kenny McCormack
2016-08-15 23:14:37 UTC
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IMPS, usual assumptions, none vul, opps silent, you hold: T842,T82,53,KJ87

1) Pd opens 2N (20-21), your call?

2) Pd opens 2C, you bid 2D, he now bids 3D. Your call?
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Co Wiersma
2016-08-15 23:20:55 UTC
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Post by Kenny McCormack
IMPS, usual assumptions, none vul, opps silent, you hold: T842,T82,53,KJ87
1) Pd opens 2N (20-21), your call?
2) Pd opens 2C, you bid 2D, he now bids 3D. Your call?
1 ) Easy: 3C
2 ) this one is hard: I guess 3NT

Co Wiersma
t***@att.net
2016-08-15 23:46:40 UTC
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3NT. I could try for 4S with 3C but I'm balanced with a couple of 10s.

3NT which should show some scattered values outside of Diamonds deny 3+ implying holding 2; also denying a good 5-card Major.
judyorcarl@verizon.net
2016-08-16 01:13:33 UTC
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Post by t***@att.net
3NT. I could try for 4S with 3C but I'm balanced with a couple of 10s.
3NT which should show some scattered values outside of Diamonds deny 3+ implying holding 2; also denying a good 5-card Major.
What do you think you bid with xxxx xxx xx xxxx ?

Carl
t***@att.net
2016-08-16 01:17:24 UTC
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Post by t***@att.net
3NT. I could try for 4S with 3C but I'm balanced with a couple of 10s.
3NT which should show some scattered values outside of Diamonds deny 3+ implying holding 2; also denying a good 5-card Major.
What do you think you bid with xxxx xxx xx xxxx ?
Carl
3H, double negative.
p***@infi.net
2016-08-16 00:44:19 UTC
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Post by Kenny McCormack
IMPS, usual assumptions, none vul, opps silent, you hold: T842,T82,53,KJ87
1) Pd opens 2N (20-21), your call?
2) Pd opens 2C, you bid 2D, he now bids 3D. Your call?
3NT and 3NT.
p***@infi.net
2016-08-16 00:45:45 UTC
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Post by p***@infi.net
Post by Kenny McCormack
IMPS, usual assumptions, none vul, opps silent, you hold: T842,T82,53,KJ87
1) Pd opens 2N (20-21), your call?
2) Pd opens 2C, you bid 2D, he now bids 3D. Your call?
3NT and 3NT.
Sorry, missed the 4 card major. 3C in the first case. Still 3NT in the second.
KWSchneider
2016-08-16 02:58:07 UTC
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Post by Kenny McCormack
IMPS, usual assumptions, none vul, opps silent, you hold: T842,T82,53,KJ87
1) Pd opens 2N (20-21), your call?
2) Pd opens 2C, you bid 2D, he now bids 3D. Your call?
--
"Every time Mitt opens his mouth, a swing state gets its wings."
(Should be on a bumper sticker)
1) IMPS - 3N. MP - Pass
2) He's unlimited. 3N

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John Hall
2016-08-16 09:26:42 UTC
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Post by KWSchneider
Post by Kenny McCormack
IMPS, usual assumptions, none vul, opps silent, you hold: T842,T82,53,KJ87
1) Pd opens 2N (20-21), your call?
2) Pd opens 2C, you bid 2D, he now bids 3D. Your call?
1) IMPS - 3N. MP - Pass
2) He's unlimited. 3N
Same here. Even if partner has a 4-card spade suit, 9 tricks in NT may
well be easier than 10 in spades.
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John Hall
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin"
attributed to Sir Josiah Stamp,
a former director of the Bank of England
Player
2016-08-16 09:54:16 UTC
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May not too.
Co Wiersma
2016-08-16 11:24:59 UTC
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Post by John Hall
Post by KWSchneider
Post by Kenny McCormack
T842,T82,53,KJ87
1) Pd opens 2N (20-21), your call?
2) Pd opens 2C, you bid 2D, he now bids 3D. Your call?
1) IMPS - 3N. MP - Pass
2) He's unlimited. 3N
Same here. Even if partner has a 4-card spade suit, 9 tricks in NT may
well be easier than 10 in spades.
That may be so or it may be not so
But then the same goes for most hands with 4card major and 9 points when
partner opens a strong 1NT

2NT openings tend to have slightly more often be off-shape then 1NT openings
AQxx-A-AJxx-xxxx I open 1D and not 1NT
AKQx-A-AQxx-Qxxx I open 2NT as I fear 1D might be passed out

So the chance that 4S plays better then 3NT is after a 2NT opening even
bigger then after a 1NT opening

Co Wiersma
Player
2016-08-16 04:43:27 UTC
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I bid 3c on 1 and 3nt on 2.
Charles Brenner
2016-08-16 04:43:52 UTC
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Post by Kenny McCormack
IMPS, usual assumptions, none vul, opps silent, you hold: T842,T82,53,KJ87
1) Pd opens 2N (20-21), your call?
3C. Marginal values and minimal entries = 2 strikes against bulling into 3N.
Post by Kenny McCormack
2) Pd opens 2C, you bid 2D, he now bids 3D. Your call?
I vaguely recall a logical argument for 3S but ... What the hell, the downside is only when partner with tripleton support isn't on the same wavelength; often it will simply rightside 3NT and keep the strong hand hidden.
Dave Flower
2016-08-16 12:04:16 UTC
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Post by Kenny McCormack
IMPS, usual assumptions, none vul, opps silent, you hold: T842,T82,53,KJ87
1) Pd opens 2N (20-21), your call?
2) Pd opens 2C, you bid 2D, he now bids 3D. Your call?
--
"Every time Mitt opens his mouth, a swing state gets its wings."
(Should be on a bumper sticker)
1) I think is very close between 3NT, 3C and pass

2) What does 3NT mean in BWS ? Its a horrible bid, wrong-siding 3NT (diamond contracts already wrong-sided), but there seems to be no alternative.
Send it to MSC, it seems to expose a defect in bidding methods.

Dave Flower
Douglas Newlands
2016-08-16 13:34:26 UTC
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Post by Dave Flower
Post by Kenny McCormack
IMPS, usual assumptions, none vul, opps silent, you hold: T842,T82,53,KJ87
1) Pd opens 2N (20-21), your call?
2) Pd opens 2C, you bid 2D, he now bids 3D. Your call?
--
"Every time Mitt opens his mouth, a swing state gets its wings."
(Should be on a bumper sticker)
1) I think is very close between 3NT, 3C and pass
So how do you resolve it? Just guess?
My policy is to continue over 2NT when I am likely to have an entry
so I can play at least one suit sensibly. There are enough bits and
pieces as well as the KC to make this clear here.
Also, I always check the major fit. I know there are hands where
3N will play better but I can't tell till after dummy comes down.
Post by Dave Flower
2) What does 3NT mean in BWS ? Its a horrible bid, wrong-siding 3NT (diamond contracts already wrong-sided), but there seems to be no alternative.
Send it to MSC, it seems to expose a defect in bidding methods.
3N is the only choice it would seem.
Personally, I like the bids after 2C-2D to be natural except
3C shows clubs and 3D asks for a 4 card major
3D shows diamonds or diamonds and clubs
3M shows 4M and long diamonds
Using it in the above hand, 3D denies spades so 3N can be bid with
equanimity.
This works as a response system to 2C as well as long as 2D is negative.

doug
Lorne Anderson
2016-08-16 13:19:40 UTC
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Post by Kenny McCormack
IMPS, usual assumptions, none vul, opps silent, you hold: T842,T82,53,KJ87
1) Pd opens 2N (20-21), your call?
2) Pd opens 2C, you bid 2D, he now bids 3D. Your call?
3C and 3N.
Ronald
2016-08-16 19:37:54 UTC
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Post by Kenny McCormack
IMPS, usual assumptions, none vul, opps silent, you hold: T842,T82,53,KJ87
1) Pd opens 2N (20-21), your call?
2) Pd opens 2C, you bid 2D, he now bids 3D. Your call?
1) Pass
2) Horrible situation (fortunately I can open 1C). What does 2D show?
If Relay, count me out. I will not answer stupid questions.
If negative 3N. I hope this shows C-Stopper. Opener should bid 3N
without missing stoppers.
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Ronald
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