Your bid

Post by Nigel Dutton
Partner opens 1H and you respond 1S (I hope).
!H natural system 4+
KQJ742
K73
K8
J9
Your bid now when partner rebids 2H

4H. Partner is limited, slam is unlikely, let's just bid the game.

Post by Nigel Dutton
Your bid now when partner rebids 3H

3S, surely forcing.

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Nigel Dutton

2017-05-08 13:53:32 UTC

Post by David Goldfarb

Post by Nigel Dutton
Partner opens 1H and you respond 1S (I hope).
!H natural system 4+
KQJ742
K73
K8
J9
Your bid now when partner rebids 2H

4H. Partner is limited, slam is unlikely, let's just bid the game.

Post by Nigel Dutton
Your bid now when partner rebids 3H

3S, surely forcing.
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| -- Alan Moore, _V for Vendetta_

Ax
AQxxxx

is certainly limited

a***@yahoo.co.uk

2017-05-08 21:39:32 UTC

Post by Nigel Dutton
Ax
AQxxxx
is certainly limited

How often does partner hold such a stonkingly perfect fitting minimum? Even with that in the majors, opener needs to hold a club void or one of the minor aces for slam to be cold, which starts to make the opening hand rather better than minimum. So partner with a theoretical perfect minimum giving two solid major fits still needs to have the right minor holding to limit losers there to one for slam to be on. What is the likelihood of this outside of magazine bidding problems?

Nigel Dutton

2017-05-08 23:13:13 UTC

Post by Nigel Dutton
Ax
AQxxxx
is certainly limited

Of course you are correct but it wasn't a magazine problem it occurred the other day - I'm trying to work out who should move to slam.

Opener held

983
AQ10854
A97
A

Out of 32 pairs only 4 bid slam.

jogs

2017-05-08 23:22:41 UTC

Post by Nigel Dutton
Ax
AQxxxx
is certainly limited

Of course you are correct but it wasn't a magazine problem it occurred the other day - I'm trying to work out who should move to slam.
Opener held
983
AQ10854
A97
A
Out of 32 pairs only 4 bid slam.

7 1/2 controls with a 7 card heart.
One could argue that this is a 4H rebid.

Douglas Newlands

2017-05-08 23:46:39 UTC

Post by jogs

Post by Nigel Dutton
Ax
AQxxxx
is certainly limited

Of course you are correct but it wasn't a magazine problem it occurred the other day - I'm trying to work out who should move to slam.
Opener held
983
AQ10854
A97
A
Out of 32 pairs only 4 bid slam.

7 1/2 controls with a 7 card heart.

It's an odd method which sees 7.5 controls.
It's an odd method which sees a 7 card heart suit.

Post by jogs
One could argue that this is a 4H rebid.

It's an odd method which sees a 4H rebid.

doug

Douglas Newlands

2017-05-08 23:52:32 UTC

Post by Nigel Dutton
Ax
AQxxxx
is certainly limited

Of course you are correct but it wasn't a magazine problem it occurred the other day - I'm trying to work out who should move to slam.
Opener held
983
AQ10854
A97
A
Out of 32 pairs only 4 bid slam.

KQJ742
K73
K8
J9

I guess a possible auction is
1H 2S fit jump (I think HHxxx or Hxxxxx is normal minimum
suit quality)
4C hearts are agreed; would bid 3S to agree spades.
4D
4N opener sees, no club loser, 3rd round D loser,
probably hearts are OK and one spade loser. Plenty of
time to set up spades to discard deep diamond loser.
5C 1 key
6H There is a worry about 3rd round of spades so might chicken.

Certainly the fit jump works well if they can fit into the rest of your
system.

doug

jogs

2017-05-11 13:50:04 UTC

Post by Nigel Dutton
Ax
AQxxxx
is certainly limited

Of course you are correct but it wasn't a magazine problem it occurred the other day - I'm trying to work out who should move to slam.
Opener held
983
AQ10854
A97
A
Out of 32 pairs only 4 bid slam.

KQJ742
K73
K8
J9
I guess a possible auction is
1H 2S fit jump (I think HHxxx or Hxxxxx is normal minimum
suit quality)
4C hearts are agreed; would bid 3S to agree spades.
4D
4N opener sees, no club loser, 3rd round D loser,
probably hearts are OK and one spade loser. Plenty of
time to set up spades to discard deep diamond loser.
5C 1 key
6H There is a worry about 3rd round of spades so might chicken.
Certainly the fit jump works well if they can fit into the rest of your
system.
doug

That is not a fit jump. The FJ shows 4-card heart support. The 9 card fit to much stronger than a 8 card fit. Suits do break badly more often in the 8 card fit.

Will in New Haven

2017-05-10 03:51:21 UTC

Post by Nigel Dutton
Ax
AQxxxx
is certainly limited

Of course you are correct but it wasn't a magazine problem it occurred the other day - I'm trying to work out who should move to slam.
Opener held
983
AQ10854
A97
A
Out of 32 pairs only 4 bid slam.

I would not rebid 2H with that hand. If I were still playing strong jump-shifts, I would use one with responder's hand. I don't consider 3H an overbid with opener's hand but I am tempted to bid 2D instead.

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Will now in Pompano Beach

judyorcarl@verizon.net

2017-05-08 13:30:18 UTC

Post by Nigel Dutton
Partner opens 1H and you respond 1S (I hope).
!H natural system 4+
KQJ742
K73
K8
J9
Your bid now when partner rebids 2H
Your bid now when partner rebids 3H
Nigel Dutton - Perth WA

Does 2H strongly promise 6+?

Nigel Dutton

2017-05-08 13:52:26 UTC

Post by ***@verizon.net

Does 2H strongly promise 6+?

Yeah probably

Sandy Barnes

2017-05-09 06:45:51 UTC

This is a great example to support playing Fit Showing Jumps. Game force, strong side suit, and 3+ card fit for partner, all in a single bid. Partner can take control and you only need to answer questions.
After 1H-1S; 2H, 3H is an overbid, and 4H is an underbid. Your best contract may be in spades, but you will either need to hide your support for partner, or never show the strength on your spade suit. Give partner the magic hand. like:
Ax, AQxxxx, XX Axx and you are cold for 6S, but 6H may depend on a non diamond lead.

With your standard bidding system, I need to know what options you have to force over 2H. over 3H, you have trouble, since 4D may get a lead directing double, or overstate your values with so much in spades, and so little is side suit controls to support any heart slam.

Nigel Dutton

2017-05-09 07:29:07 UTC

Post by Sandy Barnes

This is a great example to support playing Fit Showing Jumps. Game force, strong side suit, and 3+ card fit for partner, all in a single bid. Partner can take control and you only need to answer questions.
Ax, AQxxxx, XX Axx and you are cold for 6S, but 6H may depend on a non diamond lead.
With your standard bidding system, I need to know what options you have to force over 2H. over 3H, you have trouble, since 4D may get a lead directing double, or overstate your values with so much in spades, and so little is side suit controls to support any heart slam.

Couldn't agree more about FSJ however, in this case it is a modest standard congress field who are wondering why they missed slam. The majority won't be playing FSJ. Over 2H - 4H will certainly get you to game and I think maybe opener should now be moving.

Lorne Anderson

2017-05-09 09:55:53 UTC

Post by Nigel Dutton
Partner opens 1H and you respond 1S (I hope).
!H natural system 4+
KQJ742
K73
K8
J9
Your bid now when partner rebids 2H

Post by Nigel Dutton
Your bid now when partner rebids 3H

N/A - if you bid something that allows 3H then no bid now can show your
hand.

The interesting question is whether responder should bid 2S over 1H,
assuming it is a natural slam try. It is a good suit and you have
compensation for weak points with your heart fit but also have no aces
which is a big downside. I would probably start with 1S.

Lorne Anderson

2017-05-09 10:43:24 UTC

Post by Lorne Anderson

Post by Nigel Dutton
Partner opens 1H and you respond 1S (I hope).
!H natural system 4+
KQJ742
K73
K8
J9
Your bid now when partner rebids 2H

Post by Nigel Dutton
Your bid now when partner rebids 3H

N/A - if you bid something that allows 3H then no bid now can show your
hand.
The interesting question is whether responder should bid 2S over 1H,
assuming it is a natural slam try. It is a good suit and you have
compensation for weak points with your heart fit but also have no aces
which is a big downside. I would probably start with 1S.

I think I misread the second question - if you meant immediate rebid of
3H then I respond 4D, I replied on the assumption of 2H rebid followed
by 3H over your bid.

Nigel Dutton

2017-05-10 23:18:05 UTC

Post by Lorne Anderson

Post by Nigel Dutton
Partner opens 1H and you respond 1S (I hope).
!H natural system 4+
KQJ742
K73
K8
J9
Your bid now when partner rebids 2H

Post by Nigel Dutton
Your bid now when partner rebids 3H

N/A - if you bid something that allows 3H then no bid now can show your
hand.
The interesting question is whether responder should bid 2S over 1H,
assuming it is a natural slam try. It is a good suit and you have
compensation for weak points with your heart fit but also have no aces
which is a big downside. I would probably start with 1S.

I think I misread the second question - if you meant immediate rebid of
3H then I respond 4D, I replied on the assumption of 2H rebid followed
by 3H over your bid.

Thanks Lorne - that's I meant. It seemed to me opener had a choice of an undberbid 2H and an overbid of 3

Player

2017-05-11 09:57:33 UTC

What is 1h 1s 2h 3s? Surely this has to be forcing. Does it suggest a h fit. I like fsj but not many play this.

Nigel Dutton

2017-05-11 10:32:42 UTC

Post by Player
What is 1h 1s 2h 3s? Surely this has to be forcing. Does it suggest a h fit. I like fsj but not many play this.

I think its forcing - and I like it.

Co Wiersma

2017-05-09 10:29:02 UTC