Discussion:
Pick up game
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Sandy Barnes
2017-06-04 20:28:49 UTC
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New partner on BBO you hold:

96
J98542
A94
K5

Auction:
1C - P 1H- 1S
DBL - 4S - P -P
4NT - p ?

2 questions, what does partner hald in general, and what call do you make?
Tom
2017-06-05 02:48:36 UTC
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Post by Sandy Barnes
96
J98542
A94
K5
1C - P 1H- 1S
DBL - 4S - P -P
4NT - p ?
2 questions, what does partner hald in general, and what call do you make?
Ugh. Asumptions since there was no partnership discussion: Dbl was not 3
card support but was probably strong takeout of Spades. My bet: Pard is
0-2-5-6 (picture - Kx KQJxx AQJxxx). I'd just bid 5C since slam needs HA
onside and no bad breaks.

Tom Reid
Sandy Barnes
2017-06-05 07:24:05 UTC
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Post by Tom
Post by Sandy Barnes
96
J98542
A94
K5
1C - P 1H- 1S
DBL - 4S - P -P
4NT - p ?
2 questions, what does partner hald in general, and what call do you make?
Ugh. Asumptions since there was no partnership discussion: Dbl was not 3
card support but was probably strong takeout of Spades. My bet: Pard is
0-2-5-6 (picture - Kx KQJxx AQJxxx). I'd just bid 5C since slam needs HA
onside and no bad breaks.
Tom Reid
Our onl;y discussion was noi discussion. SAYC was posted.
Sandy Barnes
2017-06-05 07:25:32 UTC
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Post by Tom
Post by Sandy Barnes
96
J98542
A94
K5
1C - P 1H- 1S
DBL - 4S - P -P
4NT - p ?
2 questions, what does partner hald in general, and what call do you make?
Ugh. Asumptions since there was no partnership discussion: Dbl was not 3
card support but was probably strong takeout of Spades. My bet: Pard is
0-2-5-6 (picture - Kx KQJxx AQJxxx). I'd just bid 5C since slam needs HA
onside and no bad breaks.
Tom Reid
The only discussion was no discussion. SAYC was posted on partner's palyed stats.
Eddie Grove
2017-06-05 18:10:35 UTC
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Post by Tom
Post by Sandy Barnes
96
J98542
A94
K5
1C - P 1H- 1S
DBL - 4S - P -P
4NT - p ?
2 questions, what does partner hald in general, and what call do you make?
Ugh. Asumptions since there was no partnership discussion: Dbl was not 3
card support but was probably strong takeout of Spades. My bet: Pard is
0-2-5-6 (picture - Kx KQJxx AQJxxx). I'd just bid 5C since slam needs HA
onside and no bad breaks.
Tom Reid
Pickup game? 4N? The mistake is to assume partner has his bid.
I suspect 4N is asking for aces.

Eddie
s***@gmail.com
2017-06-05 04:29:54 UTC
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On Monday, June 5, 2017 at 3:28:51 AM UTC+7, Sandy Barnes wrote:
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Post by Sandy Barnes
1C - P 1H- 1S
DBL - 4S - P -P
4NT - p ?
I'm not competent to answer questions,
but I sure have plenty of my own!

(1) I thought there normally had to be at least two unbid suits
for a double to be treated as take-out. No? In any event
I'd expect this doubler to have at least tolerance for
a penalty pass of 1 Spade.

(2) Shouldn't a hand lively enough to bid 4NT over 4S
on this auction have bid 2S (instead of X) over 1S?
richlp
2017-06-05 22:33:03 UTC
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Post by Sandy Barnes
96
J98542
A94
K5
1C - P 1H- 1S
DBL - 4S - P -P
4NT - p ?
2 questions, what does partner hald in general, and what call do you make?
Enough people play support x to make that my expectation.

4NT is most likely Blackwood.

FWIW - I think that with two good very good players (who know each other's capabilities) in a first time partnership it could be 0-3-4-6 or 1-3-4-5. My guess, however, is that anybody good enough to think of that would also be good enough never to pull it on a random partner. So I'll stick with it being Blackwood.

Could be way off base, but that wouldn't be anything new.
judyorcarl@verizon.net
2017-06-06 17:52:29 UTC
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Post by Sandy Barnes
96
J98542
A94
K5
1C - P 1H- 1S
DBL - 4S - P -P
4NT - p ?
2 questions, what does partner hald in general, and what call do you make?
"Enough people play support x to make that my expectation."

But it's not SAYC.

Carl
Sandy Barnes
2017-06-07 01:51:31 UTC
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Post by Sandy Barnes
96
J98542
A94
K5
1C - P 1H- 1S
DBL - 4S - P -P
4NT - p ?
2 questions, what does partner hald in general, and what call do you make?
"Enough people play support x to make that my expectation."
But it's not SAYC.
Carl
The opposite hand:
void
AKx
QT9x
AQxxxx

4NT was intended as pick a suit. The danger would be a hand where 1H was bid on something like:
xxx
QJxx
KJxxx
x

Assuming that 4NT means "bid something", it may be the only way to find your 9 card diamond fit.
Dave Flower
2017-06-07 08:12:20 UTC
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Post by Sandy Barnes
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Post by Sandy Barnes
96
J98542
A94
K5
1C - P 1H- 1S
DBL - 4S - P -P
4NT - p ?
2 questions, what does partner hald in general, and what call do you make?
"Enough people play support x to make that my expectation."
But it's not SAYC.
Carl
void
AKx
QT9x
AQxxxx
xxx
QJxx
KJxxx
x
Assuming that 4NT means "bid something", it may be the only way to find your 9 card diamond fit.
The real cause of the problem was partner's double - an unclear bid when a 2D bid is crystal clear

Dave Flower
richlp
2017-06-07 16:09:31 UTC
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Post by Sandy Barnes
96
J98542
A94
K5
1C - P 1H- 1S
DBL - 4S - P -P
4NT - p ?
2 questions, what does partner hald in general, and what call do you make?
"Enough people play support x to make that my expectation."
But it's not SAYC.
Carl
Granted. But how would SAYC define this double? Would you expect a random partner to know that definition?

I still think support is the most likely intention.
judyorcarl@verizon.net
2017-06-07 16:21:54 UTC
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Post by richlp
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Post by Sandy Barnes
96
J98542
A94
K5
1C - P 1H- 1S
DBL - 4S - P -P
4NT - p ?
2 questions, what does partner hald in general, and what call do you make?
"Enough people play support x to make that my expectation."
But it's not SAYC.
Carl
Granted. But how would SAYC define this double? Would you expect a random partner to know that definition?
I still think support is the most likely intention.
It is undefined in SAYC. If you are playing SAYC without additional discussion, you must not use a non-SAYC convention unless it does not matter how partner takes it.

Carl
Dave Flower
2017-06-07 16:25:56 UTC
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Post by richlp
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Post by Sandy Barnes
96
J98542
A94
K5
1C - P 1H- 1S
DBL - 4S - P -P
4NT - p ?
2 questions, what does partner hald in general, and what call do you make?
"Enough people play support x to make that my expectation."
But it's not SAYC.
Carl
Granted. But how would SAYC define this double? Would you expect a random partner to know that definition?
I still think support is the most likely intention.
Pick three different random partners, and you would get four different opinions

Dave Flower
kingfish
2017-06-24 21:09:35 UTC
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Post by Sandy Barnes
96
J98542
A94
K5
1C - P 1H- 1S
DBL - 4S - P -P
4NT - p ?
2 questions, what does partner hald in general, and what call do you make?
"Enough people play support x to make that my expectation."
But it's not SAYC.
Carl
Granted. But how would SAYC define this double? Would you expect a random partner to know that definition?
I still think support is the most likely intention.
Pick three different random partners, and you would get four different opinions
Dave Flower
Playing on BBO, when your partner's card is labeled "expert", you never know what to expect. People pop into a seat, and the hand starts without discussion. So the real question is "what is standard expert?". In light of this, how would you play the 4NT call opposite an unknown partner? A 2nd question, "if 4NT was Blackwood, why waste a bid of double before launching into 4NT"?
Will in New Haven
2017-06-06 21:58:47 UTC
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Post by Sandy Barnes
96
J98542
A94
K5
1C - P 1H- 1S
DBL - 4S - P -P
4NT - p ?
2 questions, what does partner hald in general, and what call do you make?
I think partner has a very good minor two-suiter, with longer Clubs,so I bid 6C. Partner is _not_ playing me for this many cover cards for my 1H response.
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Will now in Pompano Beach
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