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nasty hand from cross-IMP evening
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a***@yahoo.co.uk
2018-10-20 19:44:03 UTC
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It wasn't just the IMPS that were cross, I was at yet another significant minus score at the end of the evening. This hand was a nasty one and I'm not sure whether we could have done better given our opponents.

QT7
T6
Q7652
J54
KJ86 32
2 93
AT983 K4
T73 AKQ9862
A954
AKQJ8754
J
-

N E S W
3NT 4H P
P 5C AP

5C is unbeatatable but NS can make 5H. Of course, three out of the four other pairs are allowed to play in 4H so that was 14.5 imps out. My partner said she should have passed the first time and let them rot in 3NT. After pointing out we will never defend 3NT because West will pull to 4C, she said she should have waited for West to do that then come in with 4H, then we might get to play it. I think that if East is willing to bid 5C opposite nothing from partner, he will bid 5C any time South bids 4H. On my (north) hand, I didn't know whose hand it was, and was reluctant to bid 5H over 4C thinking it likely that both five level contracts are going down. What do you think?
Ars Ivci
2018-10-20 20:06:00 UTC
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It wasn't just the IMPS that were cross, I was at yet another significant minus score at the end of the evening. This hand was a nasty one and I'm not sure whether we could have done better given our opponents.
QT7
T6
Q7652
J54
KJ86 32
2 93
AT983 K4
T73 AKQ9862
A954
AKQJ8754
J
-
N E S W
3NT 4H P
P 5C AP
5C is unbeatatable but NS can make 5H. Of course, three out of the four other pairs are allowed to play in 4H so that was 14.5 imps out. My partner said she should have passed the first time and let them rot in 3NT. After pointing out we will never defend 3NT because West will pull to 4C, she said she should have waited for West to do that then come in with 4H, then we might get to play it. I think that if East is willing to bid 5C opposite nothing from partner, he will bid 5C any time South bids 4H. On my (north) hand, I didn't know whose hand it was, and was reluctant to bid 5H over 4C thinking it likely that both five level contracts are going down. What do you think?
You can beat 5C: SA, HA, HK. North can overruff dummy's CT. 5H comes
home because of lucky spade situation; your A9xx finds QTx in dummy.
That aside, it is really difficult to judge these hands. It is also
difficult to assess what the field is going to play.
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peace,
t.
Ars Ivci
2018-10-20 20:08:28 UTC
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It wasn't just the IMPS that were cross, I was at yet another
significant minus score at the end of the evening. This hand was a
nasty one and I'm not sure whether we could have done better given our
opponents.
       QT7
       T6
       Q7652
       J54
KJ86         32
2            93
AT983        K4
T73          AKQ9862
       A954
       AKQJ8754
       J
       -
   N   E   S   W
      3NT  4H  P
   P  5C   AP
5C is unbeatatable but NS can make 5H. Of course, three out of the
four other pairs are allowed to play in 4H so that was 14.5 imps out.
My partner said she should have passed the first time and let them rot
in 3NT. After pointing out we will never defend 3NT because West will
pull to 4C, she said she should have waited for West to do that then
come in with 4H, then we might get to play it. I think that if East is
willing to bid 5C opposite nothing from partner, he will bid 5C any
time South bids 4H. On my (north) hand, I didn't know whose hand it
was, and was reluctant to bid 5H over 4C thinking it likely that both
five level contracts are going down. What do you think?
You can beat 5C: SA, HA, HK. North can overruff dummy's CT. 5H comes
home because of lucky spade situation; your A9xx finds QTx in dummy.
That aside, it is really difficult to judge these hands. It is also
difficult to assess what the field is going to play.
North had one extra heart which I missed. You cannot beat 5C.
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peace,
t.
ais523
2018-10-20 20:43:32 UTC
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It wasn't just the IMPS that were cross, I was at yet another
significant minus score at the end of the evening. This hand was a
nasty one and I'm not sure whether we could have done better given our
opponents.
QT7
T6
Q7652
J54
KJ86 32
2 93
AT983 K4
T73 AKQ9862
A954
AKQJ8754
J
-
N E S W
3NT 4H P
P 5C AP
On the first round, South should likely double to show a solid suit,
usually a major. (This is a good use of a double against 3NT in
general, and by far the best use against a 3NT opening bid.) On the
actual board, North would know that the suit was hearts (and that
East's suit was clubs). South has the Ace of Spades, so even if North
guesses South's suit wrong, nothing bad can happen in 3NT doubled (and
if North decides to bid South's suit, the bid will be in hearts so that
South can correct to spadeds if necessary).

West now faces a problem as to whether to pull to 4C or 5C, and North
will be in a better position to work out whether to compete in hearts or
not. (J54 of clubs is a terrible holding for defending against a solid
club suit when you have a balanced hand - you'd want the partnership's
unbalanced hand to have the trump length - and at IMPs it's normally
correct to compete when both sides are very unbalanced, although of
course it would depend on the vulnerability. So there's a decent
chance North will bid 5H over 5C.) The NS partnership could plausibly
pass out 4C on the basis that EW have probably missed a game; that
would be less of a disaster than on the actual hand.
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ais523
Co Wiersma
2018-10-21 01:14:09 UTC
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It wasn't just the IMPS that were cross, I was at yet another
significant minus score at the end of the evening. This hand was a
nasty one and I'm not sure whether we could have done better given our
opponents.
QT7
T6
Q7652
J54
KJ86 32
2 93
AT983 K4
T73 AKQ9862
A954
AKQJ8754
J
-
N E S W
3NT 4H P
P 5C AP
On the first round, South should likely double to show a solid suit,
usually a major. (This is a good use of a double against 3NT in
general, and by far the best use against a 3NT opening bid.) On the
actual board, North would know that the suit was hearts (and that
East's suit was clubs). South has the Ace of Spades, so even if North
guesses South's suit wrong, nothing bad can happen in 3NT doubled (and
if North decides to bid South's suit, the bid will be in hearts so that
South can correct to spadeds if necessary).
West now faces a problem as to whether to pull to 4C or 5C, and North
will be in a better position to work out whether to compete in hearts or
not. (J54 of clubs is a terrible holding for defending against a solid
club suit when you have a balanced hand - you'd want the partnership's
unbalanced hand to have the trump length - and at IMPs it's normally
correct to compete when both sides are very unbalanced, although of
course it would depend on the vulnerability. So there's a decent
chance North will bid 5H over 5C.) The NS partnership could plausibly
pass out 4C on the basis that EW have probably missed a game; that
would be less of a disaster than on the actual hand.
But North does not know about hands being so much unbalanced
Specially the South hand is so freakish , that it be very unwise for
North to calculate its shape and strength like it is

Co Wiersma
ais523
2018-10-21 01:47:00 UTC
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QT7
T6
Q7652
J54
KJ86 32
2 93
AT983 K4
T73 AKQ9862
A954
AKQJ8754
J
-
N E S W
3NT 4H P
P 5C AP
On the first round, South should likely double to show a solid suit,
usually a major. (This is a good use of a double against 3NT in
general, and by far the best use against a 3NT opening bid.) On the
actual board, North would know that the suit was hearts (and that
East's suit was clubs). South has the Ace of Spades, so even if North
guesses South's suit wrong, nothing bad can happen in 3NT doubled (and
if North decides to bid South's suit, the bid will be in hearts so that
South can correct to spadeds if necessary).
[snip]
Post by Co Wiersma
But North does not know about hands being so much unbalanced
Specially the South hand is so freakish , that it be very unwise for
North to calculate its shape and strength like it is
After a high-level pre-empt like 3NT, it's far from uncommon for someone
other than the pre-emptor to have a highly unbalanced hand. (When one
hand is unbalanced, the others often are as well.) If someone has a
long-minor 3NT opening (as seen here), it's fairly common for someone
else (or even all four players!) to have a solid suit.

It's fairly rare to have a second AKQxxxx suit, of course. But
it's highly likely that someone else will have a suit like AKQxx,
AKJxxxx, AQJxxxx, that sort of thing. OK, so North probably wouldn't
expect AKQJxxxx for South's double, but should be expecting some sort of
very strong, independent suit like the ones I've shown. (Besides, North
has a balanced hand, and in fact 5-3 minors; that's pretty much a total
freak shape when you've heard a 3NT opening bid, more unexpected than
South's, as a 3NT opener tends to use up a lot of cards in the minors.
And it makes it much more likely that there's going to be a third
freak hand in the auction. Incidentally, going through this reasoning
has convinced me that 5C is correct in the abstract for West, and
possibly even a sacrifice in 6C if North bids 5 of a major; West has a
freak 5-3 minor hand too.)

One of my opinions about bridge is that most players don't pay enough
attention to freak hands; sure, any particular freak hand is unlikely,
but freaks collectively make up a surprisingly large proportion of the
bidding questions you encounter in practice, and the existence of one
freak hand in a deal makes it more likely that others will exist. So
it's helpful to have agreements in place that let you react
appropriately when they do come up.
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ais523
Co Wiersma
2018-10-21 11:51:31 UTC
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QT7
T6
Q7652
J54
KJ86 32
2 93
AT983 K4
T73 AKQ9862
A954
AKQJ8754
J
-
N E S W
3NT 4H P
P 5C AP
On the first round, South should likely double to show a solid suit,
usually a major. (This is a good use of a double against 3NT in
general, and by far the best use against a 3NT opening bid.) On the
actual board, North would know that the suit was hearts (and that
East's suit was clubs). South has the Ace of Spades, so even if North
guesses South's suit wrong, nothing bad can happen in 3NT doubled (and
if North decides to bid South's suit, the bid will be in hearts so that
South can correct to spadeds if necessary).
[snip]
Post by Co Wiersma
But North does not know about hands being so much unbalanced
Specially the South hand is so freakish , that it be very unwise for
North to calculate its shape and strength like it is
After a high-level pre-empt like 3NT, it's far from uncommon for someone
other than the pre-emptor to have a highly unbalanced hand. (When one
hand is unbalanced, the others often are as well.) If someone has a
long-minor 3NT opening (as seen here), it's fairly common for someone
else (or even all four players!) to have a solid suit.
It's fairly rare to have a second AKQxxxx suit, of course. But
it's highly likely that someone else will have a suit like AKQxx,
AKJxxxx, AQJxxxx, that sort of thing. OK, so North probably wouldn't
expect AKQJxxxx for South's double, but should be expecting some sort of
very strong, independent suit like the ones I've shown. (Besides, North
has a balanced hand, and in fact 5-3 minors; that's pretty much a total
freak shape when you've heard a 3NT opening bid, more unexpected than
South's, as a 3NT opener tends to use up a lot of cards in the minors.
And it makes it much more likely that there's going to be a third
freak hand in the auction. Incidentally, going through this reasoning
has convinced me that 5C is correct in the abstract for West, and
possibly even a sacrifice in 6C if North bids 5 of a major; West has a
freak 5-3 minor hand too.)
One of my opinions about bridge is that most players don't pay enough
attention to freak hands; sure, any particular freak hand is unlikely,
but freaks collectively make up a surprisingly large proportion of the
bidding questions you encounter in practice, and the existence of one
freak hand in a deal makes it more likely that others will exist. So
it's helpful to have agreements in place that let you react
appropriately when they do come up.
The East hand is not what I meant with the term freak
It does not have a void, not even a stiff!
Now look at the South hand: it has a stiff AND a void...

I am completely ok with your advice to double 3NT with a solid suit
But even opposite a solid 7 card suit, North still has 6 losers

Co Wiersma
Douglas Newlands
2018-10-20 21:11:25 UTC
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It wasn't just the IMPS that were cross, I was at yet another significant minus score at the end of the evening. This hand was a nasty one and I'm not sure whether we could have done better given our opponents.
QT7
T6
Q7652
J54
KJ86 32
2 93
AT983 K4
T73 AKQ9862
A954
AKQJ8754
J
-
N E S W
3NT 4H P
P 5C AP
5C is unbeatatable but NS can make 5H. Of course, three out of the four other pairs are allowed to play in 4H so that was 14.5 imps out. My partner said she should have passed the first time and let them rot in 3NT. After pointing out we will never defend 3NT because West will pull to 4C,
Surely west pulls to 5C and not 4C.

doug

she said she should have waited for West to do that then come in with
4H, then we might get to play it. I think that if East is willing to bid
5C opposite nothing from partner, he will bid 5C any time South bids 4H.
On my (north) hand, I didn't know whose hand it was, and was reluctant
to bid 5H over 4C thinking it likely that both five level contracts are
going down. What do you think?
a***@yahoo.co.uk
2018-10-20 22:41:12 UTC
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It wasn't just the IMPS that were cross, I was at yet another significant minus score at the end of the evening. This hand was a nasty one and I'm not sure whether we could have done better given our opponents.
QT7
T6
Q7652
J54
KJ86 32
2 93
AT983 K4
T73 AKQ9862
A954
AKQJ8754
J
-
N E S W
3NT 4H P
P 5C AP
5C is unbeatatable but NS can make 5H. Of course, three out of the four other pairs are allowed to play in 4H so that was 14.5 imps out. My partner said she should have passed the first time and let them rot in 3NT. After pointing out we will never defend 3NT because West will pull to 4C,
Surely west pulls to 5C and not 4C.
doug
It doesn't matter, the point is that NS are never defending 3NT doubled. If West couldn't find a 5C bid over 4H, why would he find a 5C bid over 3NT, doubled or not?
Douglas Newlands
2018-10-20 22:50:40 UTC
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It wasn't just the IMPS that were cross, I was at yet another significant minus score at the end of the evening. This hand was a nasty one and I'm not sure whether we could have done better given our opponents.
QT7
T6
Q7652
J54
KJ86 32
2 93
AT983 K4
T73 AKQ9862
A954
AKQJ8754
J
-
N E S W
3NT 4H P
P 5C AP
5C is unbeatatable but NS can make 5H. Of course, three out of the four other pairs are allowed to play in 4H so that was 14.5 imps out. My partner said she should have passed the first time and let them rot in 3NT. After pointing out we will never defend 3NT because West will pull to 4C,
Surely west pulls to 5C and not 4C.
doug
It doesn't matter, the point is that NS are never defending 3NT doubled. If West couldn't find a 5C bid over 4H, why would he find a 5C bid over 3NT, doubled or not?
Firstly, is that KD within limits for a 3N opener?
It wouldn't be for me. Ignoring that anyway.
West can see 4H is making that's why 5C is clear over 3N or even 3NX.
East is a crazy man bidding 5C, he's got to learn to stop bidding when
he's bid his hand. 5C says "partner, you're an idiot"! Might be true of
course, but if west had a think over 4H then 5C is a no-no.

doug
a***@yahoo.co.uk
2018-10-20 23:34:08 UTC
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It wasn't just the IMPS that were cross, I was at yet another significant minus score at the end of the evening. This hand was a nasty one and I'm not sure whether we could have done better given our opponents.
QT7
T6
Q7652
J54
KJ86 32
2 93
AT983 K4
T73 AKQ9862
A954
AKQJ8754
J
-
N E S W
3NT 4H P
P 5C AP
5C is unbeatatable but NS can make 5H. Of course, three out of the four other pairs are allowed to play in 4H so that was 14.5 imps out. My partner said she should have passed the first time and let them rot in 3NT. After pointing out we will never defend 3NT because West will pull to 4C,
Surely west pulls to 5C and not 4C.
doug
It doesn't matter, the point is that NS are never defending 3NT doubled. If West couldn't find a 5C bid over 4H, why would he find a 5C bid over 3NT, doubled or not?
Firstly, is that KD within limits for a 3N opener?
It wouldn't be for me. Ignoring that anyway.
West can see 4H is making that's why 5C is clear over 3N or even 3NX.
East is a crazy man bidding 5C, he's got to learn to stop bidding when
he's bid his hand. 5C says "partner, you're an idiot"! Might be true of
course, but if west had a think over 4H then 5C is a no-no.
doug
There was no pause from West, and no, I wouldn't have opened 3NT holding Easts hand. I am guessing it wasn't opened with 3NT at the other tables given three out of the other four pairs our way were in 4H (one doubled), the fourth pair were defending a 6C sacrifice.

People bid like that at my club all the time. Problem is, it seems to work quite often, against me at least. Earlier in the evening an opponent overcalled 2H red against green holding A9754. Partner holding KQJT83 in hearts was a bit stuffed, needless to say I didn't have a suitable hand for a reopening double. When people do make poor bids and get a good score, I like to look and see if there was anything better I could have done.
Travis Crump
2018-10-21 17:11:48 UTC
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It wasn't just the IMPS that were cross, I was at yet another significant minus score at the end of the evening. This hand was a nasty one and I'm not sure whether we could have done better given our opponents.
QT7
T6
Q7652
J54
KJ86 32
2 93
AT983 K4
T73 AKQ9862
A954
AKQJ8754
J
-
N E S W
3NT 4H P
P 5C AP
5C is unbeatatable but NS can make 5H. Of course, three out of the four other pairs are allowed to play in 4H so that was 14.5 imps out. My partner said she should have passed the first time and let them rot in 3NT. After pointing out we will never defend 3NT because West will pull to 4C, she said she should have waited for West to do that then come in with 4H, then we might get to play it. I think that if East is willing to bid 5C opposite nothing from partner, he will bid 5C any time South bids 4H. On my (north) hand, I didn't know whose hand it was, and was reluctant to bid 5H over 4C thinking it likely that both five level contracts are going down. What do you think?
What were the colors? If East is allowed to have a side king, I'm not
sure why West would pull especially undoubled. It just seems wrong for
South to be defending 5C undoubled, but what they should actually do
might depend on the colors. NS nonvul, 5H seems clear as a two-way punt.
a***@yahoo.co.uk
2018-10-21 17:31:55 UTC
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It wasn't just the IMPS that were cross, I was at yet another significant minus score at the end of the evening. This hand was a nasty one and I'm not sure whether we could have done better given our opponents.
QT7
T6
Q7652
J54
KJ86 32
2 93
AT983 K4
T73 AKQ9862
A954
AKQJ8754
J
-
N E S W
3NT 4H P
P 5C AP
5C is unbeatatable but NS can make 5H. Of course, three out of the four other pairs are allowed to play in 4H so that was 14.5 imps out. My partner said she should have passed the first time and let them rot in 3NT. After pointing out we will never defend 3NT because West will pull to 4C, she said she should have waited for West to do that then come in with 4H, then we might get to play it. I think that if East is willing to bid 5C opposite nothing from partner, he will bid 5C any time South bids 4H. On my (north) hand, I didn't know whose hand it was, and was reluctant to bid 5H over 4C thinking it likely that both five level contracts are going down. What do you think?
What were the colors? If East is allowed to have a side king, I'm not
sure why West would pull especially undoubled. It just seems wrong for
South to be defending 5C undoubled, but what they should actually do
might depend on the colors. NS nonvul, 5H seems clear as a two-way punt.
I have been trying to check, but it appears Bridgewebs has gone down like a lead balloon, so I cannot access the club web site (or any other web site that uses Bridgewebs for that matter). I'll let you know when Bridgewebs is back online.
a***@yahoo.co.uk
2018-10-21 21:37:45 UTC
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It wasn't just the IMPS that were cross, I was at yet another significant minus score at the end of the evening. This hand was a nasty one and I'm not sure whether we could have done better given our opponents.
QT7
T6
Q7652
J54
KJ86 32
2 93
AT983 K4
T73 AKQ9862
A954
AKQJ8754
J
-
N E S W
3NT 4H P
P 5C AP
5C is unbeatatable but NS can make 5H. Of course, three out of the four other pairs are allowed to play in 4H so that was 14.5 imps out. My partner said she should have passed the first time and let them rot in 3NT. After pointing out we will never defend 3NT because West will pull to 4C, she said she should have waited for West to do that then come in with 4H, then we might get to play it. I think that if East is willing to bid 5C opposite nothing from partner, he will bid 5C any time South bids 4H. On my (north) hand, I didn't know whose hand it was, and was reluctant to bid 5H over 4C thinking it likely that both five level contracts are going down. What do you think?
What were the colors? If East is allowed to have a side king, I'm not
sure why West would pull especially undoubled. It just seems wrong for
South to be defending 5C undoubled, but what they should actually do
might depend on the colors. NS nonvul, 5H seems clear as a two-way punt.
Both sides vulnerable.
Bruce Evans
2018-10-22 11:11:39 UTC
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It wasn't just the IMPS that were cross, I was at yet another
significant minus score at the end of the evening. This hand was a nasty
one and I'm not sure whether we could have done better given our
opponents.
Post by Travis Crump
Post by a***@yahoo.co.uk
QT7
T6
Q7652
J54
KJ86 32
2 93
AT983 K4
T73 AKQ9862
A954
AKQJ8754
J
-
N E S W
3NT 4H P
P 5C AP
5C is unbeatatable but NS can make 5H. Of course, three out of the
four other pairs are allowed to play in 4H so that was 14.5 imps out. My
partner said she should have passed the first time and let them rot in
3NT. After pointing out we will never defend 3NT because West will pull
to 4C, she said she should have waited for West to do that then come in
with 4H, then we might get to play it. I think that if East is willing
to bid 5C opposite nothing from partner, he will bid 5C any time South
bids 4H. On my (north) hand, I didn't know whose hand it was, and was
reluctant to bid 5H over 4C thinking it likely that both five level
contracts are going down. What do you think?
Post by Travis Crump
What were the colors? If East is allowed to have a side king, I'm not
sure why West would pull especially undoubled. It just seems wrong for
South to be defending 5C undoubled, but what they should actually do
might depend on the colors. NS nonvul, 5H seems clear as a two-way punt.
Both sides vulnerable.
Bidding up to 7H at any vulnerability seems clear as a 2-way punt
(after starting with the tactical underbid of 4H which forces you to
punt). On the actual hand, partner has a few hiugh cards and the
opponents have no voids, but 5C still makes easily. When the opponents
have a void in a major, then 6C often makes easily and 7C sometimes
makes on the lead of the wrong major. Meanwhile, you may make 7H or
7S when partner has KQxxx of spades and the opponents lead the wrong
minor.

The opponents have almost the same problem with the majors and minors
reversed, and should use the same strategy of bidding 1 more through 7C
when in doubt. On the actual hand, West actually has 2 likely defensive
tricks, but is still in doubt over 6H so should insure with 7C (6H happens
to be easy to beat only because East has the unexpected K of diamonds.
Put that in dummy and 6H only goes down because there aren't enough spade
pitches on the diamonds or enough trump entries to squeeze West in spades
and diamonds). If West had nothing in spades and only the diamond ace
for a defensive trick, then 6H would make easily unless East can ruff
a diamond or spade (and has no unexpected side card). Then insuring
with 7C is especially clear since the risk that 7H makes is low (West
knows to lead a diamond). However, if it is North that would be
declarer in 7H or 7S, then insuring with 7C is not so safe since insuring
with 7H over that puts East on lead, and East will usually lead a club
unless West makes a Lightner double, and will sometimes lead the wrong
suit when West makes a Lightner double.

West will never have more than 1 ace, since East has exactly 1 and South
is looking at 2. Both sides usually have exactly 2 unless North has
the extras to make 6H easily (then the extras include the diamond A, so
it only takes xx in spades and xxx in hearts and a 1-1 heart break to make
6H). Neither side should be doubling with 2 aces when the other side's
bidding indicatates freak hands. The freaks often include voids, and just
the threat of them including voids should be enough to make you take
insurance. So the vulnerability matter much at imps. Maybe 5H is unlucky
so it is down 1, but the opponents bid a phantom 6C sacrifice and you bid
6H down 2. The opponents shouldn't double, so bidding 6H costs 3 imps
relative to bidding 5H. 7H singled would cost another 2 or 3 imps. With
split aces, it should sometimes be doubled, but often shouldn't be doubled
since double should be Lightner and the wrong lead would swing 20-30 imps.
-300 for 7H singled beats even -400 for non-vulnerable 5C singled. -800
for 7HX would beat the huge number for 5CX making 2 vulnerable overtricks
on the wrong major lead.

The optimal strategy is very different for matchpoints, because most minus
scores are bad. It should be to always double at the 6 level with 2 aces
when it doubt.

Richard Pavlicek stated a good strategy for a similar hand recently
on Bridgewinners. Over a 2D Multi opening, someone doubled with 10
top tricks, mainly in a long heart suit, and a void in diamonds (the
double is either a strong hand or takeout in a specific major (short
spades?). Partner had a balanced 12 count with Qxxx in diamonds. 2DX
was passed out and made. 6 or 7 hearts would have made even more
easily. Richard said to show this strength by bidding 1 more than the
sure number of tricks (5H with 10 tricks). On the current hand, South
has only 9 sure tricks, but has good chances of another trick with the
4th spade, and East is known to have a much freakier hand than is shown
by Multi, so bidding 1 more works even better. 4H and followed by a
non-jump to 4H or 5H work poorly, since they are not jumps and must
be made on many different hand types (typically with only a good 6
card suit and more high cards). Double would work better than in the
Multi auction since 3NTX won't be passed out. 5H would have worked
perfectly here. On a bad day, West would take it out to 6C; South can
make a forcing pass of this and North has the defensive garbage needed
to avoid bidding the phantom 6H sacrifice. However, with a 3rd heart,
North should bid 6H since 6C is too likely to make on a heart void.

Without agreements, of course you can't make the Pavlicek bid or even
bid 4 of a minor since this might be natural. I don't see anything much
better than bidding minimal hearts through 7H. Blackwood might work.
Try to play 5H if partner shows 1 ace (the ace must be in diamonds). Ask
for specific Kings and consider bidding 7H if partner shows the spade K.
Never bid 7H, but hope that this prevents the 7C sacrifice. Reconsider
over the 7C sacrifice.

There should be an agreement to ask for a major over gambling 3NT. With
you majors reversed, it would be very safe to bid RKC after finding a fit
in the shorter major and correct to your solid spades. You can find all
the key cards in the shorter major, but grand slams also require the J and
a 5th card in the shorter major, or the J in the shorter major and the K of
diamonds, so you usually shouldn't bid them. With your majors not reversed,
then you would have to correct to 5, 6 or 7H after finding a not so good
spade fit, so you should only try to use RKC in the shorter major if partner
wouldn't correct back to the shorter major.

I checked a big bad conventions book (2008 pages in 4 volumes). As usual,
it lived down to its badness by giving no defenses to gambling 3NT.
Klinger's little (158 pages) convention book is remarkably good. It gives
the following defense to gambling 3NT:
- double = strong hand; further doubles of minors are for penalties
- 4C = takeout for majors with heart preference
- 4D = takeout for majors with spade preference
- 4H/4S = to play.
These major suit takeouts would let you find all critical high cards
if the opponents don't bid soon enough, but not the KQxx or KQJ in
spades needed for an almost cold 6H and not KQxxx in spades needed for
an almost cold 7H.

Bruce
Lorne
2018-10-28 00:00:38 UTC
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It wasn't just the IMPS that were cross, I was at yet another significant minus score at the end of the evening. This hand was a nasty one and I'm not sure whether we could have done better given our opponents.
QT7
T6
Q7652
J54
KJ86 32
2 93
AT983 K4
T73 AKQ9862
A954
AKQJ8754
J
-
N E S W
3NT 4H P
P 5C AP
5C is unbeatatable but NS can make 5H. Of course, three out of the four other pairs are allowed to play in 4H so that was 14.5 imps out. My partner said she should have passed the first time and let them rot in 3NT. After pointing out we will never defend 3NT because West will pull to 4C, she said she should have waited for West to do that then come in with 4H, then we might get to play it. I think that if East is willing to bid 5C opposite nothing from partner, he will bid 5C any time South bids 4H. On my (north) hand, I didn't know whose hand it was, and was reluctant to bid 5H over 4C thinking it likely that both five level contracts are going down. What do you think?
The pass by west is absurd - with no defense to 4H and a near certainty
that 5C is a good save a 5C bid is clear.

The 5C bid by east is even worse. Why does he think he has extra
playing strength when his suit is minimum length and not solid if either
oppo has Jxxx and his partner told him that defending was the thing to
do? This would have been very expensive if west had a different hand
that was compatible with the pass that was made.

So you have been duffed up by a pair with no idea what they are doing -
not much you can do about that - sometimes it happens.

IMO 4H is the correct bid - if you double then you have to bid 5H when
5C comes back to you but next time this may be the wrong thing to do.
Better to show your hand before the oppo up the ante so partner can
judge what action to take. This hand is however a freak so getting it
wrong is one of those things you should not worry about.

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