multi 2D question

[a***@yahoo.co.uk]

If partner opens a multi 2D (weak 2H/S, strong with C/D or 21-22 bal), RHO doubles, what is that standard meaning of a jump to 3H?

I tried this yesterday evening, thinking it would show a hand with 3-3 in the majors, pass or correct. Partner thought it was showing a long heart suit and passed, so ended up in a 3-3 fit with a 9 card spade fit on the side (not good). What do you think it should mean? From what I have read, without the double it shows an invitational hand in hearts, or a hand willing to play in 3S, does that stay the same with intervention? I thought bidding the 2H relay would make it easier for LHO to respoond to the double (easier than anyone else who opens a weak two and immediately gets a raise), so tried to shut the opponents out quickly.

[ais523]

Post by a***@yahoo.co.uk
If partner opens a multi 2D (weak 2H/S, strong with C/D or 21-22 bal),
RHO doubles, what is that standard meaning of a jump to 3H?

I believe the standard meaning is pre-emptive, to play in 3 of partner's
major.

However, this is a case where system agreement is fairly important. You
need to be able to show both pre-emptive hands in your partner's suit,
and "to play" in a major of your own, and it's impossible to do both of
these naturally. That means you need to agree a convention for at least
one of the hand types (3D is the obvious choice for the conventional
bid: diamonds are most plausibly shown via pass or redouble, depending
on agreements, and it's high enough to interfere with the opponents).

[Co Wiersma]

Post by a***@yahoo.co.uk
If partner opens a multi 2D (weak 2H/S, strong with C/D or 21-22 bal), RHO doubles, what is that standard meaning of a jump to 3H?
I tried this yesterday evening, thinking it would show a hand with 3-3 in the majors, pass or correct. Partner thought it was showing a long heart suit and passed, so ended up in a 3-3 fit with a 9 card spade fit on the side (not good). What do you think it should mean? From what I have read, without the double it shows an invitational hand in hearts, or a hand willing to play in 3S, does that stay the same with intervention? I thought bidding the 2H relay would make it easier for LHO to respoond to the double (easier than anyone else who opens a weak two and immediately gets a raise), so tried to shut the opponents out quickly.

pass or correct
But I do strongly suggest not to play multi without very detailed agreements

Co Wiersma

[Hotzenplotz]

Post by a***@yahoo.co.uk
If partner opens a multi 2D (weak 2H/S, strong with C/D or 21-22 bal), RHO doubles, what is that standard meaning of a jump to 3H?
I tried this yesterday evening, thinking it would show a hand with 3-3 in the majors, pass or correct. Partner thought it was showing a long heart suit and passed, so ended up in a 3-3 fit with a 9 card spade fit on the side (not good). What do you think it should mean? From what I have read, without the double it shows an invitational hand in hearts, or a hand willing to play in 3S, does that stay the same with intervention? I thought bidding the 2H relay would make it easier for LHO to respoond to the double (easier than anyone else who opens a weak two and immediately gets a raise), so tried to shut the opponents out quickly.

Partner is a beginner. This is pass or correct.

[Steve Willner]

Post by a***@yahoo.co.uk
If partner opens a multi 2D (weak 2H/S, strong with C/D or 21-22
bal), RHO doubles, what is that standard meaning of a jump to 3H?

I'm not sure there's a standard meaning, but I've always played it as
"pass or correct." That's what I'd expect absent discussion, but why
anyone would play multi without further discussion is a mystery.

To be fair, I've never played multi with strong options. If there are
strong options, 3H can still be P/c, but responder has to be strong
enough to play game opposite the strong type(s).

As a minimum level of discussion, what would redouble be? For me, it
would show responder has his own suit.

Post by a***@yahoo.co.uk
Partner thought [3H] was showing a long heart suit and passed, so
ended up in a 3-3 fit with a 9 card spade fit

That looks like bad judgment. Opener might risk a pass with short
hearts, but with 3c support, why does 4H have to be bad if responder has
hearts? Seems like a "safety bid" of 3S is better. That will be
perfect if responder meant P/c and perhaps OK if responder meant hearts.

[Lorne]

Post by a***@yahoo.co.uk
If partner opens a multi 2D (weak 2H/S, strong with C/D or 21-22 bal), RHO doubles, what is that standard meaning of a jump to 3H?
I tried this yesterday evening, thinking it would show a hand with 3-3 in the majors, pass or correct. Partner thought it was showing a long heart suit and passed, so ended up in a 3-3 fit with a 9 card spade fit on the side (not good). What do you think it should mean? From what I have read, without the double it shows an invitational hand in hearts, or a hand willing to play in 3S, does that stay the same with intervention? I thought bidding the 2H relay would make it easier for LHO to respoond to the double (easier than anyone else who opens a weak two and immediately gets a raise), so tried to shut the opponents out quickly.

It is pass or correct as you thought. Also 2S would be to play opposite
spades and a good enough fit to want to play in at least 3H opposite hearts.

I would also suggest that pass shows diamonds and you always bid 2H or
something higher without long diamonds.

2N should still ask opener about their hand which leaves redouble which
could be used to say you want to play in your major and asks partner to
bid the major he has not got.

[Steve Willner]

redouble which could be used to say you want to play in your major and
asks partner to bid the major he has not got.

I've not seen the paradox rebid by opener before, but that looks good.
I don't think responder's suit has to be a major though; redouble can
include minor-suit hands.

[Douglas Newlands]

Post by a***@yahoo.co.uk
If partner opens a multi 2D (weak 2H/S, strong with C/D or 21-22 bal),
RHO doubles, what is that standard meaning of a jump to 3H?
I tried this yesterday evening, thinking it would show a hand with 3-3
in the majors, pass or correct. Partner thought it was showing a long
heart suit and passed, so ended up in a 3-3 fit with a 9 card spade
fit on the side (not good). What do you think it should mean? From
what I have read, without the double it shows an invitational hand in
hearts, or a hand willing to play in 3S, does that stay the same with
intervention? I thought bidding the 2H relay would make it easier for
LHO to respoond to the double (easier than anyone else who opens a
weak two and immediately gets a raise), so tried to shut the opponents
out quickly.

It is pass or correct as you thought.  Also 2S would be to play opposite
spades and a good enough fit to want to play in at least 3H opposite hearts.
I would also suggest that pass shows diamonds and you always bid 2H or
something higher without long diamonds.
2N should still ask opener about their hand which leaves redouble which
could be used to say you want to play in your major and asks partner to
bid the major he has not got.

I have seen juniors play, after 2D-(X)-
2H,S = to play. My suit is better than yours!
XX = to play
Pass = you bid your suit

when you get older and your nerves are not good, you might want to
reverse the last two!

doug

[Lorne]

Post by Douglas Newlands

Post by a***@yahoo.co.uk
If partner opens a multi 2D (weak 2H/S, strong with C/D or 21-22
bal), RHO doubles, what is that standard meaning of a jump to 3H?
I tried this yesterday evening, thinking it would show a hand with
3-3 in the majors, pass or correct. Partner thought it was showing a
long heart suit and passed, so ended up in a 3-3 fit with a 9 card
spade fit on the side (not good). What do you think it should mean?
From what I have read, without the double it shows an invitational
hand in hearts, or a hand willing to play in 3S, does that stay the
same with intervention? I thought bidding the 2H relay would make it
easier for LHO to respoond to the double (easier than anyone else who
opens a weak two and immediately gets a raise), so tried to shut the
opponents out quickly.

It is pass or correct as you thought.  Also 2S would be to play
opposite spades and a good enough fit to want to play in at least 3H
opposite hearts.
I would also suggest that pass shows diamonds and you always bid 2H or
something higher without long diamonds.
2N should still ask opener about their hand which leaves redouble
which could be used to say you want to play in your major and asks
partner to bid the major he has not got.

I have seen juniors play, after 2D-(X)-
2H,S = to play. My suit is better than yours!
XX = to play
Pass = you bid your suit
when you get older and your nerves are not good, you might want to
reverse the last two!
doug

Not sure I agree with putting the word 'might' in that last sentence !