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reilloc
2016-12-30 16:31:52 UTC
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Please state your bidding system and the meaning in that system of the 1
Club bid in the following sequences:

S W N E
1C

S W N E
P 1C

S W N E
P P 1C

S W N E
P P P 1C

Thanks,

LNC
t***@att.net
2016-12-30 20:27:52 UTC
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My system is a Baronized canapé type. In each case, an opening of 1C shows one of several types of hands:

1. 11+HCP long Clubs. Plan a rebid in Clubs.
2. 13+HCP 4+clubs and a longer side suit. Plan first rebid in long suit.
3. 15-16HCP balanced. Plan rebid 1NT
3. 17-18HCP balanced. Plan rebid 2NT
4. 19-20HCP balanced. Plan rebid 3NT
5. 12-16HCP 4-4-1-4. Plan 1M after 1R, no other plans.
Will in New Haven
2016-12-31 02:35:39 UTC
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Post by reilloc
Please state your bidding system and the meaning in that system of the 1
S W N E
1C
Natural. That is, at least three Clubs. No four-card Diamond suit or five-card Major unless Clubs are longer. If the hand is balanced, it has 15+HCP because we play a 12-14 1NT. Generally, a sound opening bid, although we open lighter in the Majors.
Post by reilloc
S W N E
P 1C
Natural. That is, at least three Clubs. No four-card Diamond suit or five-card Major unless Clubs are longer. If the hand is balanced, it has 15+HCP because we play a 12-14 1NT. Generally, a sound opening bid, although we open lighter in the Majors.
Post by reilloc
S W N E
P P 1C
Natural. That is, at least three Clubs. No four-card Diamond suit or five-card Major unless Clubs are longer. If the hand is balanced, it has 15+HCP because we play a 12-14 1NT. Generally, a sound opening bid, although we open lighter in the Majors.
It is theoretically _possible_ that one of us would open 1C without a normal opening bid in third seat, intending to pass any response. However, that would be extremely rate because a 1C bid takes up so little of the opponents' bidding room. Axx xx xxxx KQJT would be irresistible but never seems to come up.
Post by reilloc
S W N E
P P P 1C
Natural. That is, at least three Clubs. No four-card Diamond suit or five-card Major unless Clubs are longer. If the hand is balanced, it has 15+HCP because we play a 12-14 1NT. Generally, a sound opening bid, although we open lighter in the Majors.
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Thanks,
You're welcome
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Will now in Pompano Beach
All change for round nine; slow pairs please go home.
p***@infi.net
2016-12-31 14:37:58 UTC
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Post by reilloc
Please state your bidding system and the meaning in that system of the 1
S W N E
1C
S W N E
P 1C
S W N E
P P 1C
S W N E
P P P 1C
Thanks,
LNC
Typical modern American methods, but tending more toward up-the-line rather than Walsh style responses. Prefer 2/1 "sound" but not game forcing, but play most 2/1 game forcing with most partners these days. I try to make an exception for 1D-2C so we can play 1m-2NT as forcing.

All 1C openings natural, 3+ clubs, 3 or 4 only with no longer suit and not appropriate for 1NT (15-17) or 2NT (20-21) or 2C (22+ balanced, less with more playing strength.)

1st, 2nd and 4th seat, will open any hand with 12+ hcp including an Ace, 13+ hcp including two Kings, or 14+ hcp; will also open hands of 10 or 11 hcp which count 13+ using the Goren short-suit count, containing an Ace, two Quick tricks, no short suit honors, etc. A bit cautious about three suited hands. In third seat, can open some balanced 10-11 point hands with a good suit, prepared to pass partner's response.
Derek Turner
2016-12-31 15:33:03 UTC
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Post by reilloc
Please state your bidding system and the meaning in that system of the 1
S W N E 1C
S W N E P 1C
S W N E P P 1C
S W N E P P P 1C
Thanks,
LNC
Precision. 16+ HCP and thirteen cards. Any seat.
f***@googlemail.com
2017-01-01 10:47:34 UTC
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Post by reilloc
Please state your bidding system and the meaning in that system of the 1
S W N E
1C
S W N E
P 1C
S W N E
P P 1C
S W N E
P P P 1C
Thanks,
LNC
First seat:
2+ clubs, either
(i) natural, clubs the longest suit, typically 10+ HCP with 6 clubs otherwise 11+ HCP (some very odd 9s might also open)
(ii) balanced 11- 14 without a 5-card major or 4 diamonds
(iii) balanced 11-a bad 13 with a poor 4-card diamond suit or a poor 5-card heart suit
(iv) balanced good 17-poor 20 without a 5-card major

Second seat: as first seat

Third seat: as first seat, plus
(v) 'balanced' might include a strong 4441 with singleton club or a 6322 with 6 poor diamonds
(vi) the natural club hand can be lighter (Ax xxxx xx KJ10xx)
(vii) some hands that would open 1C in first or 2nd will open a good suit elsewhere for the lead (xx KQJ10 Jxx Axxx opens 1H, for example)

Fourth seat: (i)-(v) as above
Robert Chance
2017-01-04 14:17:40 UTC
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(v) 'balanced' might include a strong 4441 with singleton club or a 6322 with 6 poor diamonds
This one intrigues me. Why would you suppress a six-card diamond suit sitting in third seat, and open a short club suit instead?
Lorne Anderson
2017-01-01 11:22:55 UTC
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Post by reilloc
Please state your bidding system and the meaning in that system of the 1
S W N E
1C
Natural methods with weak NT and 4 card majors:

All show 5+ clubs or 4414 shape or 4 clubs and 15+ points.
jogs
2017-01-05 00:17:32 UTC
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Larry Cohen covers the 1C bid for SAYC and 2/1 in the January 2017 Bridge Bulletin, p 30-1. For practical purposes the same hands are opened for every seat. Opening light in 3rd seat only applies to major suit openings.
judyorcarl@verizon.net
2017-01-05 03:07:49 UTC
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Post by jogs
Larry Cohen covers the 1C bid for SAYC and 2/1 in the January 2017 Bridge Bulletin, p 30-1. For practical purposes the same hands are opened for every seat. Opening light in 3rd seat only applies to major suit openings.
What is undesirable about a 3rd-seat 1C with

xxx
xxx
xx
AKQJx

?

Carl
Douglas Newlands
2017-01-05 05:16:35 UTC
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Post by jogs
Larry Cohen covers the 1C bid for SAYC and 2/1 in the January 2017 Bridge Bulletin, p 30-1. For practical purposes the same hands are opened for every seat. Opening light in 3rd seat only applies to major suit openings.
What is undesirable about a 3rd-seat 1C with
xxx
xxx
xx
AKQJx
?
The fact that 1C shows xxx and not a holding like you have!
You will have to rebid 2C to get that across
unless you can raise a major.
If you open all 11s (unlikely in the US it seems) and
2M = 5M and 4+m and 2D = 6M then partner has less than
you might think at first sight and 3C might be more attractive when NV.

doug
judyorcarl@verizon.net
2017-01-05 14:54:09 UTC
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Post by jogs
Larry Cohen covers the 1C bid for SAYC and 2/1 in the January 2017 Bridge Bulletin, p 30-1. For practical purposes the same hands are opened for every seat. Opening light in 3rd seat only applies to major suit openings.
What is undesirable about a 3rd-seat 1C with
xxx
xxx
xx
AKQJx
?
The fact that 1C shows xxx and not a holding like you have!
You will have to rebid 2C to get that across
unless you can raise a major.
If you open all 11s (unlikely in the US it seems) and
2M = 5M and 4+m and 2D = 6M then partner has less than
you might think at first sight and 3C might be more attractive when NV.
doug
You will pass, and partner WILL lead clubs unless something else is clearly attractive.

Why should bidding clubs reduce the chance of a club lead.

What if you pass and 4th hand opens 1NT?

Carl
Adam Lea
2017-01-05 08:57:00 UTC
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Post by jogs
Larry Cohen covers the 1C bid for SAYC and 2/1 in the January 2017 Bridge Bulletin, p 30-1. For practical purposes the same hands are opened for every seat. Opening light in 3rd seat only applies to major suit openings.
What is undesirable about a 3rd-seat 1C with
xxx
xxx
xx
AKQJx
?
Carl
It makes it easier for the opponents to show their major with a one
level overcall, which requires less strength than a one level opening.
judyorcarl@verizon.net
2017-01-05 14:51:52 UTC
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Post by jogs
Larry Cohen covers the 1C bid for SAYC and 2/1 in the January 2017 Bridge Bulletin, p 30-1. For practical purposes the same hands are opened for every seat. Opening light in 3rd seat only applies to major suit openings.
What is undesirable about a 3rd-seat 1C with
xxx
xxx
xx
AKQJx
?
Carl
It makes it easier for the opponents to show their major with a one
level overcall, which requires less strength than a one level opening.
they will be it anyway and partner will not know how to defend.

Carl
p***@gmail.com
2017-01-05 19:53:03 UTC
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In WJ 1C means

1) 12-14 HCP, no other five-card suit
2) 15-17 HCP, clubs
3) 18+ HCP
4) In third seat, Drury with clubs.
s***@gmail.com
2017-01-23 04:38:08 UTC
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Post by reilloc
Please state your bidding system and the meaning in that system of the 1
S W N E
1C
S W N E
P 1C
S W N E
P P 1C
S W N E
P P P 1C
Thanks,
LNC
1C means 1C, always. However, you need a sound hand in 4th seat to open 1C.
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