Is there blame to be assigned?

[b***@gmail.com]

Matchpoint pairs, Board 10, all vul, East deals (U.S. game if that helps)

North
S-QJ3
H-void
D-AKQ3
C-AJ9854

South
S-AK4
H-AQ98542
D-2
C-106

Auction--Opps pass throughout

South North
1H 2C
2H 3C
3H 4H

Made four for a middle of the pack score.

As cards lie, 6C and 6NT are cold. Those who got there seemed to just bash on a leap of faith to slam.

System: established partnership 2/1=G-F--very rarely can stop in 4m when 3N is a problem.

Any comments will be welcome.

[jogs]

Post by b***@gmail.com
Matchpoint pairs, Board 10, all vul, East deals (U.S. game if that helps)
North
S-QJ3
H-void
D-AKQ3
C-AJ9854
South
S-AK4
H-AQ98542
D-2
C-106
Auction--Opps pass throughout
South North
1H 2C
2H 3C
3H 4H
Made four for a middle of the pack score.
As cards lie, 6C and 6NT are cold. Those who got there seemed to just bash on a leap of faith to slam.
System: established partnership 2/1=G-F--very rarely can stop in 4m when 3N is a problem.
Any comments will be welcome.

I'm not finding slam.
1H - 2C
2H - 3D
3N all pass

[Player]

Is nth averse to showing a diamond suit within over 2h? 3c is a poor bid, nevertheless my auction would be the same as Jogs. I would not bid 4nt over this with a high void. (quantitative of course)

[p***@infi.net]

Post by b***@gmail.com
Matchpoint pairs, Board 10, all vul, East deals (U.S. game if that helps)
North
S-QJ3
H-void
D-AKQ3
C-AJ9854
South
S-AK4
H-AQ98542
D-2
C-106
Auction--Opps pass throughout
South North
1H 2C
2H 3C
3H 4H
Made four for a middle of the pack score.
As cards lie, 6C and 6NT are cold. Those who got there seemed to just bash on a leap of faith to slam.
System: established partnership 2/1=G-F--very rarely can stop in 4m when 3N is a problem.
Any comments will be welcome.

The Jack, Ten and Nine of clubs are all big cards. I don't see a good slam without them, and no way to portray or guess their value in the auction.

[Lorne Anderson]

Post by b***@gmail.com
Matchpoint pairs, Board 10, all vul, East deals (U.S. game if that helps)
North
S-QJ3
H-void
D-AKQ3
C-AJ9854
South
S-AK4
H-AQ98542
D-2
C-106
Auction--Opps pass throughout
South North
1H 2C
2H 3C
3H 4H
Made four for a middle of the pack score.
As cards lie, 6C and 6NT are cold. Those who got there seemed to just bash on a leap of faith to slam.
System: established partnership 2/1=G-F--very rarely can stop in 4m when 3N is a problem.
Any comments will be welcome.

Hate the 3C bid.

1H 2C
2H 3D
3H 3S
3N 4N

is my likely auction but could also bid 3N instead of 3H (but I prefer
to show a 7 card major rathn than risk 3N when partner does not have
such good diamonds.

[Player]

Post by Lorne Anderson

Post by b***@gmail.com
Matchpoint pairs, Board 10, all vul, East deals (U.S. game if that helps)
North
S-QJ3
H-void
D-AKQ3
C-AJ9854
South
S-AK4
H-AQ98542
D-2
C-106
Auction--Opps pass throughout
South North
1H 2C
2H 3C
3H 4H
Made four for a middle of the pack score.
As cards lie, 6C and 6NT are cold. Those who got there seemed to just bash on a leap of faith to slam.
System: established partnership 2/1=G-F--very rarely can stop in 4m when 3N is a problem.
Any comments will be welcome.

Hate the 3C bid.
1H 2C
2H 3D
3H 3S
3N 4N
is my likely auction but could also bid 3N instead of 3H (but I prefer
to show a 7 card major rathn than risk 3N when partner does not have
such good diamonds.

Pd did reverse Lorne

[richlp]

Post by Player

Post by Lorne Anderson

Post by b***@gmail.com
Matchpoint pairs, Board 10, all vul, East deals (U.S. game if that helps)
North
S-QJ3
H-void
D-AKQ3
C-AJ9854
South
S-AK4
H-AQ98542
D-2
C-106
Auction--Opps pass throughout
South North
1H 2C
2H 3C
3H 4H
Made four for a middle of the pack score.
As cards lie, 6C and 6NT are cold. Those who got there seemed to just bash on a leap of faith to slam.
System: established partnership 2/1=G-F--very rarely can stop in 4m when 3N is a problem.
Any comments will be welcome.

Hate the 3C bid.
1H 2C
2H 3D
3H 3S
3N 4N
is my likely auction but could also bid 3N instead of 3H (but I prefer
to show a 7 card major rathn than risk 3N when partner does not have
such good diamonds.

Pd did reverse Lorne

Pd showed a game force with 2C. Does 3D show any more than that? Would the auction 1H - 2D - 2H - 3C show different values?

[jogs]

Post by richlp
Pd showed a game force with 2C. Does 3D show any more than that? Would the auction 1H - 2D - 2H - 3C show different values?

3D shows more clubs than diamonds.

Your auction shows diamonds >= clubs.

[richlp]

Post by jogs

Post by richlp
Pd showed a game force with 2C. Does 3D show any more than that? Would the auction 1H - 2D - 2H - 3C show different values?

3D shows more clubs than diamonds.
Your auction shows diamonds >= clubs.

No Duh!

The question was whether one auction showed more values than the other.

[jogs]

Post by richlp

Post by jogs

Post by richlp
Pd showed a game force with 2C. Does 3D show any more than that? Would the auction 1H - 2D - 2H - 3C show different values?

3D shows more clubs than diamonds.
Your auction shows diamonds >= clubs.

No Duh!
The question was whether one auction showed more values than the other.

3D implies a higher lower bound, but not by much. Mainly 3D is a more informative bid than rebidding 3C. 3D is at least 4-5 in dia/clubs. 3C implies 6 clubs. 3D tells pd about length in two suits, while 3C only repeats one suit.

[s***@gmail.com]

Post by b***@gmail.com
Matchpoint pairs, Board 10, all vul, East deals (U.S. game if that helps)
North
S-QJ3
H-void
D-AKQ3
C-AJ9854
South
S-AK4
H-AQ98542
D-2
C-106
Auction--Opps pass throughout
South North
1H 2C
2H 3C
3H 4H
Made four for a middle of the pack score.
As cards lie, 6C and 6NT are cold. Those who got there seemed to just bash on a leap of faith to slam.
System: established partnership 2/1=G-F--very rarely can stop in 4m when 3N is a problem.
Any comments will be welcome.

Of course, Slam looks good assuming that Clubs are 3-2, with at least 1 honor on side. The bidding is affected by style greatly. With your auction, the first 3 bids are totally normal, but we run into some questionable options after the 3rd bid. I like 3D, but there is some risk of getting too high if you select this call, and with the heart misfit, I might prefer to be more conservative. But there are issues with 3C as well, the suit is a little weak, and there is so much value in the diamond suit, rebidding clubs seems to mis-describe the hand slightly. Whatever the choice, there is too great a danger to ever want to pass 3NT, voids are not good hand types for 3NT.
With your auction as it occurred, what I don't like is the 3H call. I would rather see a 4C call at this point, planning to rebid 4H over any 4D call. 10-X is an OK holding for a suit partner rebids freely, and the hearts are OK, but not great.

[Fred.]

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Post by b***@gmail.com
Matchpoint pairs, Board 10, all vul, East deals (U.S. game if that helps)
North
S-QJ3
H-void
D-AKQ3
C-AJ9854
South
S-AK4
H-AQ98542
D-2
C-106
Auction--Opps pass throughout
South North
1H 2C
2H 3C
3H 4H
Made four for a middle of the pack score.
As cards lie, 6C and 6NT are cold. Those who got there seemed to just bash on a leap of faith to slam.
System: established partnership 2/1=G-F--very rarely can stop in 4m when 3N is a problem.
Any comments will be welcome.

Of course, Slam looks good assuming that Clubs are 3-2, with at least 1 honor on side. The bidding is affected by style greatly. With your auction, the first 3 bids are totally normal, but we run into some questionable options after the 3rd bid. I like 3D, but there is some risk of getting too high if you select this call, and with the heart misfit, I might prefer to be more conservative. But there are issues with 3C as well, the suit is a little weak, and there is so much value in the diamond suit, rebidding clubs seems to mis-describe the hand slightly. Whatever the choice, there is too great a danger to ever want to pass 3NT, voids are not good hand types for 3NT.
With your auction as it occurred, what I don't like is the 3H call. I would rather see a 4C call at this point, planning to rebid 4H over any 4D call. 10-X is an OK holding for a suit partner rebids freely, and the hearts are OK, but not great.

KQxx, K stiff, Q stiff on the left work as well on the plan
to finesse twice. North has the spade queen for entry.

Fred.

[KWSchneider]

Post by b***@gmail.com
Matchpoint pairs, Board 10, all vul, East deals (U.S. game if that helps)
North
S-QJ3
H-void
D-AKQ3
C-AJ9854
South
S-AK4
H-AQ98542
D-2
C-106
Auction--Opps pass throughout
South North
1H 2C
2H 3C
3H 4H
Made four for a middle of the pack score.
As cards lie, 6C and 6NT are cold. Those who got there seemed to just bash on a leap of faith to slam.
System: established partnership 2/1=G-F--very rarely can stop in 4m when 3N is a problem.
Any comments will be welcome.

First - both slams are marginal and should not be bid in a MP game. However both pairs misbid. North started the problem by not mentioning diamonds. The rebid of clubs told South that North was probably 3136 since no other suit was in play. Hence the insistence on 3H and not 3N.

The auction should have proceeded 1H 2C (GF) 2H 3D 3N.

Despite the misbidding by North, South should consider 3N instead of the 3H bid because of the A high heart suit. I say "consider" because of his legitimate concern in diamonds.

Kurt

[Fred.]

Post by b***@gmail.com
Matchpoint pairs, Board 10, all vul, East deals (U.S. game if that helps)
North
S-QJ3
H-void
D-AKQ3
C-AJ9854
South
S-AK4
H-AQ98542
D-2
C-106
Auction--Opps pass throughout
South North
1H 2C
2H 3C
3H 4H
Made four for a middle of the pack score.
As cards lie, 6C and 6NT are cold. Those who got there seemed to just bash on a leap of faith to slam.
System: established partnership 2/1=G-F--very rarely can stop in 4m when 3N is a problem.
Any comments will be welcome.

For those who bid

1H 2C
2H 3D
3N pass,

how do you think South should bid holding
the club queen in place of the club six?

Fred.