Tatics

[Sandy Barnes]

At White against Red, you hold:

742
void
KQJT87
6542

Auction:
1H - 1S - 2H - ?

What do you think is your best plan and call?

[Dave Flower]

Post by Sandy Barnes
742
void
KQJT87
6542
1H - 1S - 2H - ?
What do you think is your best plan and call?

[Dave Flower]

Post by Sandy Barnes
742
void
KQJT87
6542
1H - 1S - 2H - ?
What do you think is your best plan and call?

3D, planning to bid spades next. Reasons:
1) To direct a lead against a heart contract
2) To elicit my partner's cooperation as to a possible sacrifice
3) Having bid diamonds, I can be happier if partner doubles a heart contract

Dave Flower

[jogs]

Post by Dave Flower

Post by Sandy Barnes
742
void
KQJT87
6542
1H - 1S - 2H - ?
What do you think is your best plan and call?

1) To direct a lead against a heart contract
2) To elicit my partner's cooperation as to a possible sacrifice
3) Having bid diamonds, I can be happier if partner doubles a heart contract
Dave Flower

When the two majors are bid, the likelihood we wish to declare
in a minor are slim.

Use the Robson/Segal approach. The 3D call is a non-jump fit
call. 3D ask for a diamond lead and shows spade support.

[Sandy Barnes]

Post by Dave Flower

Post by Sandy Barnes
742
void
KQJT87
6542
1H - 1S - 2H - ?
What do you think is your best plan and call?

1) To direct a lead against a heart contract
2) To elicit my partner's cooperation as to a possible sacrifice
3) Having bid diamonds, I can be happier if partner doubles a heart contract
Dave Flower

Partner's hand:
AKTx
xxx
Axx
AQT

Auction:
1H - 1S - 2H - 3D
3H - 4D - 4H - 4S
P - P - DBL - P
P - 5D - P - P
DBL - all pass

Diamonds were 2-2, and both clubs were on-side. The 4S double was insane with only defense to this contract. That hand was 5-4-2-2, in this order.

[Dave Flower]

Post by Sandy Barnes

Post by Dave Flower

Post by Sandy Barnes
742
void
KQJT87
6542
1H - 1S - 2H - ?
What do you think is your best plan and call?

1) To direct a lead against a heart contract
2) To elicit my partner's cooperation as to a possible sacrifice
3) Having bid diamonds, I can be happier if partner doubles a heart contract
Dave Flower

AKTx
xxx
Axx
AQT
1H - 1S - 2H - 3D
3H - 4D - 4H - 4S
P - P - DBL - P
P - 5D - P - P
DBL - all pass
Diamonds were 2-2, and both clubs were on-side. The 4S double was insane with only defense to this contract. That hand was 5-4-2-2, in this order.

Well, 1S seems an odd choice - surely double would have been better ?

Dave Flower

PS Can 4S be beaten on a heart lead ?

[Tom]

Post by Sandy Barnes
742
void
KQJT87
6542
1H - 1S - 2H - ?
What do you think is your best plan and call?

I'd make a support X if available. If not, all calls are flawed but I'd
bid 3D hoping pard could raise and play Ds rather than Ss since pard may
not be able to set up AND run my Ds (my hand might not provide more than
a couple of H ruffs).

[David Goldfarb]

Post by Tom

Post by Sandy Barnes
742
void
KQJT87
6542
1H - 1S - 2H - ?
What do you think is your best plan and call?

I'd make a support X if available. If not, all calls are flawed but I'd
bid 3D hoping pard could raise and play Ds rather than Ss since pard may
not be able to set up AND run my Ds (my hand might not provide more than
a couple of H ruffs).

I don't think anyone plays support X in this situation. Probably the most
common use of X here would be showing the unbid suits (here the minors).
Next most common would be short spades and long hearts: i.e., penalty.
A distant third would be showing the A or K of spades. (Rosenkranz)

I'm with the field here in bidding 3H now, planning to bid spades later.

[Lorne]

Post by Sandy Barnes
742
void
KQJT87
6542
1H - 1S - 2H - ?
What do you think is your best plan and call?

3D.

I want a D lead and with the bad trump break for the oppo will not
sacrifice unless partner wants to.

[Douglas Newlands]

Post by Sandy Barnes
742
void
KQJT87
6542
1H - 1S - 2H - ?
What do you think is your best plan and call?

Scoring type is always useful but I guess we default to MPs.

I see the popular plan is 3D.
I'd be interested in knowing what are the 2nd, 3rd
and 4th best plans that you all have rejected.

Plans have objectives; what is the objective of 3D
(and the other plans you rejected)?
Are you prepping a defence against 3H or 4H or 5H?
Are you bidding 3S over 3H, 4S over 4H or always bidding 4S next?

Is 3D NF or constructive or F1?

doug

[Dave Flower]

Post by Douglas Newlands

Post by Sandy Barnes
742
void
KQJT87
6542
1H - 1S - 2H - ?
What do you think is your best plan and call?

Scoring type is always useful but I guess we default to MPs.
I see the popular plan is 3D.
I'd be interested in knowing what are the 2nd, 3rd
and 4th best plans that you all have rejected.
Plans have objectives; what is the objective of 3D
(and the other plans you rejected)?
Are you prepping a defence against 3H or 4H or 5H?
Are you bidding 3S over 3H, 4S over 4H or always bidding 4S next?
Is 3D NF or constructive or F1?
doug

Second choice 4D (close!)

otherwise abstain

Dave Flower

[Player]

Post by Sandy Barnes
742
void
KQJT87
6542
1H - 1S - 2H - ?
What do you think is your best plan and call?

2S. 3D is a gross overstatement of the hand. It MAY work, but likely will not. I want a 4th S to bid 3/4 Ds.

[Player]

Post by Player

Post by Sandy Barnes
742
void
KQJT87
6542
1H - 1S - 2H - ?
What do you think is your best plan and call?

2S. 3D is a gross overstatement of the hand. It MAY work, but likely will not. I want a 4th S to bid 3/4 Ds.

Has anyone looked at the Vul? White vs Red. Pd might even have a decent 4 card suit here. He may well have a pile of crap with 5 pieces so dummy will be useless against good opps who lead a spade.

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Post by Player

Post by Sandy Barnes
742
void
KQJT87
6542
1H - 1S - 2H - ?
What do you think is your best plan and call?

2S. 3D is a gross overstatement of the hand. It MAY work, but likely will not. I want a 4th S to bid 3/4 Ds.

Has anyone looked at the Vul? White vs Red. Pd might even have a decent 4 card suit here. He may well have a pile of crap with 5 pieces so dummy will be useless against good opps who lead a spade.

That is a conclusive argument against raising spades with xxx.

Carl

[Steve Willner]

Post by Player

Post by Sandy Barnes
1H - 1S - 2H - ?

White vs Red. Pd might even have a decent 4 card suit here.

Yes, but if so he shouldn't hold a minimum overcall.

Post by Player
He may well have a pile of crap with 5 pieces

_My_ partners would bid 2S with that or pass. What's the point of a
non-space-consuming overcall with crap?

Post by Player
I think that by pure logic, a 3D bid must imply spade tolerance,
if not an outright fit.

Could you please expand on that logic? What is advancer to do with
something like x Axx AQJxxx Qxx or a similar but stronger hand if not
bid 3D? You can cue bid if that doesn't promise spade support, but I
think that's a minority approach. If you do treat 3D as non-forcing,
what do you do with x xxx KQJxxxx Qx ? 3D (or more!) may be cold, so
passing is risky.

With the actual hand (742 void KQJT87 6542) I'd consider a fit-jump to
4D even though the hand is under-strength. The alternative looks like a
preemptive raise to 3S.

[kingfish]

Post by Steve Willner

Post by Player

Post by Sandy Barnes
1H - 1S - 2H - ?

White vs Red. Pd might even have a decent 4 card suit here.

Yes, but if so he shouldn't hold a minimum overcall.

Post by Player
He may well have a pile of crap with 5 pieces

_My_ partners would bid 2S with that or pass. What's the point of a
non-space-consuming overcall with crap?

Post by Player
I think that by pure logic, a 3D bid must imply spade tolerance,
if not an outright fit.

Could you please expand on that logic? What is advancer to do with
something like x Axx AQJxxx Qxx or a similar but stronger hand if not
bid 3D? You can cue bid if that doesn't promise spade support, but I
think that's a minority approach. If you do treat 3D as non-forcing,
what do you do with x xxx KQJxxxx Qx ? 3D (or more!) may be cold, so
passing is risky.
With the actual hand (742 void KQJT87 6542) I'd consider a fit-jump to
4D even though the hand is under-strength. The alternative looks like a
preemptive raise to 3S.

One might want to risk 3D with such a hand, but holding a stiff in partner's suit, when you can expect partner to be weak (assuming a 40 point deck), seems too risky ......... I hear 3S in my future.

[Steve Willner]

One might want to risk 3D with such a hand, but holding a stiff in partner's suit...

Are we looking at the same hand? I saw 742 void KQJT87 6542, and
partner's suit is spades. I wouldn't be recommending a fit jump with no
fit.

when you can expect partner to be weak

As I wrote earlier, I don't expect partner to be weak for a
non-space-consuming overcall (1S over 1H).

[Will in New Haven]

Post by Sandy Barnes
742
void
KQJT87
6542
1H - 1S - 2H - ?
What do you think is your best plan and call?

_If_ 3D here were fit-showing, I would think it nearly ideal. Not completely idieal because I don't really want to compete beyond 2S. So I will bid 2S nbow and subside.

[David Goldfarb]

Post by Will in New Haven

Post by Sandy Barnes
742
void
KQJT87
6542
1H - 1S - 2H - ?
What do you think is your best plan and call?

_If_ 3D here were fit-showing, I would think it nearly ideal. Not
completely idieal because I don't really want to compete beyond 2S. So I
will bid 2S nbow and subside.

I think that by pure logic, a 3D bid must imply spade tolerance,
if not an outright fit.