multi 2D question

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This auction came up last Friday evening.

N E S W
2D* P 2H 3C
?

*multi, weak 2 in major, strong 2 in minor or 21-22HCP balanced

I held 95 9632 AK84 A95 and wanted to compete in three of partners major, so bid 3H, intending this as pass or correct. Partner took it as natural, so I played in a 4-2 trump fit and went off. Partner suggested that a double in this situation would express a desire to compete in openers major My question is what it the standard way to show a desire to play in three of openers major in a competitive auction?

[Ars Ivci]

On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 01:01:46 -0700 (PDT)

Post by a***@yahoo.co.uk
This auction came up last Friday evening.
N E S W
2D* P 2H 3C
?
*multi, weak 2 in major, strong 2 in minor or 21-22HCP balanced
I held 95 9632 AK84 A95 and wanted to compete in three of partners
major, so bid 3H, intending this as pass or correct. Partner took it
as natural, so I played in a 4-2 trump fit and went off. Partner
suggested that a double in this situation would express a desire to
compete in openers major My question is what it the standard way to
show a desire to play in three of openers major in a competitive
auction?

My preference is playing double to show 21-22 BAL and therefore take
out. I do not see why you wish to compete immediately as partner will
have a chance to bid and he is in a much better position to assess your
side's potential. In addition, your partner's 2H is usually a waiting
bid (I assume) so if you now bid 3M, he will take it as natural.

If you could change your responses to 2D, it might be possible for you
to compete, e.g. 2D-2H: no pref or spade pref, 2D-2S: spade pref, no
heart pref... A response structure like this will allow you to compete
more effectively.
t.

[Co Wiersma]

Post by a***@yahoo.co.uk
This auction came up last Friday evening.
N E S W
2D* P 2H 3C
?
*multi, weak 2 in major, strong 2 in minor or 21-22HCP balanced
I held 95 9632 AK84 A95 and wanted to compete in three of partners major, so bid 3H, intending this as pass or correct. Partner took it as natural, so I played in a 4-2 trump fit and went off. Partner suggested that a double in this situation would express a desire to compete in openers major My question is what it the standard way to show a desire to play in three of openers major in a competitive auction?

I guess you forgot to add two more pass
(or is it passes? )


Anyway, apart from me answering 2S,
I would still hope my partner would understand the 3H bid

Double is for penalty in my book

Co Wiersma

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Post by a***@yahoo.co.uk
This auction came up last Friday evening.
N E S W
2D* P 2H 3C
?
*multi, weak 2 in major, strong 2 in minor or 21-22HCP balanced
I held 95 9632 AK84 A95 and wanted to compete in three of partners major, so bid 3H, intending this as pass or correct. Partner took it as natural, so I played in a 4-2 trump fit and went off. Partner suggested that a double in this situation would express a desire to compete in openers major My question is what it the standard way to show a desire to play in three of openers major in a competitive auction?

Assuming you are talking about responder's actions, not opener's as shown in your diagram:

- Double says 3C is going off
- 3H is to compete in partner's major

But I would have responded 2S to the multi in the first place.

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Post by a***@yahoo.co.uk
This auction came up last Friday evening.
N E S W
2D* P 2H 3C
?
*multi, weak 2 in major, strong 2 in minor or 21-22HCP balanced
I held 95 9632 AK84 A95 and wanted to compete in three of partners major, so bid 3H, intending this as pass or correct. Partner took it as natural, so I played in a 4-2 trump fit and went off. Partner suggested that a double in this situation would express a desire to compete in openers major My question is what it the standard way to show a desire to play in three of openers major in a competitive auction?

Sorry, I realise I have put the auction down incorrectly. I was North, the auction was:

N E S W
P 2D* 3C
3H AP

My 3H was intended as pass or correct, but partner took it as to play.

[Co Wiersma]

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Post by a***@yahoo.co.uk
This auction came up last Friday evening.
N E S W
2D* P 2H 3C
?
*multi, weak 2 in major, strong 2 in minor or 21-22HCP balanced
I held 95 9632 AK84 A95 and wanted to compete in three of partners major, so bid 3H, intending this as pass or correct. Partner took it as natural, so I played in a 4-2 trump fit and went off. Partner suggested that a double in this situation would express a desire to compete in openers major My question is what it the standard way to show a desire to play in three of openers major in a competitive auction?

N E S W
P 2D* 3C
3H AP
My 3H was intended as pass or correct, but partner took it as to play.

Well, this mistake me and my partner never had.
And if we had, I would have removed multi from our convention list as
fast as possible

Co Wiersma

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Post by a***@yahoo.co.uk
This auction came up last Friday evening.
N E S W
2D* P 2H 3C
?
*multi, weak 2 in major, strong 2 in minor or 21-22HCP balanced
I held 95 9632 AK84 A95 and wanted to compete in three of partners major, so bid 3H, intending this as pass or correct. Partner took it as natural, so I played in a 4-2 trump fit and went off. Partner suggested that a double in this situation would express a desire to compete in openers major My question is what it the standard way to show a desire to play in three of openers major in a competitive auction?

N E S W
P 2D* 3C
3H AP
My 3H was intended as pass or correct, but partner took it as to play.

Yes that is pass or correct.
Double is penalties.

The interesting one is what 4M means here - I've taken a 2000 penalty out of a pair who didn't know if 4H was POC or natural.

[Mallocy]

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This auction came up last Friday evening.
N E S W
2D* P 2H 3C
?
*multi, weak 2 in major, strong 2 in minor or 21-22HCP balanced
I held 95 9632 AK84 A95 and wanted to compete in three of partners major, so bid 3H, intending this as pass or correct. Partner took it as natural, so I played in a 4-2 trump fit and went off. Partner suggested that a double in this situation would express a desire to compete in openers major My question is what it the standard way to show a desire to play in three of openers major in a competitive auction?

N E S W
P 2D* 3C
3H AP
My 3H was intended as pass or correct, but partner took it as to play.

Yes that is pass or correct.
Double is penalties.
The interesting one is what 4M means here - I've taken a 2000 penalty out of a pair who didn't know if 4H was POC or natural.

4C transfer to your M
4D bid your M
4M to play

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Post by a***@yahoo.co.uk
This auction came up last Friday evening.
N E S W
2D* P 2H 3C
?
*multi, weak 2 in major, strong 2 in minor or 21-22HCP balanced
I held 95 9632 AK84 A95 and wanted to compete in three of partners major, so bid 3H, intending this as pass or correct. Partner took it as natural, so I played in a 4-2 trump fit and went off. Partner suggested that a double in this situation would express a desire to compete in openers major My question is what it the standard way to show a desire to play in three of openers major in a competitive auction?

N E S W
P 2D* 3C
3H AP
My 3H was intended as pass or correct, but partner took it as to play.

Yes that is pass or correct.
Double is penalties.
The interesting one is what 4M means here - I've taken a 2000 penalty out of a pair who didn't know if 4H was POC or natural.

4C transfer to your M
4D bid your M
4M to play

Yes, it's possible to play that agreement. It's not 'standard' however.

[KWSchneider]

Why wouldn't Pass be considered one of the initial options? To me, your bids are:
Pass - either 1) weak, no preference (pass either major); 2) invitational in one of the majors (correct 3M to 4M); or 3) invitational in spades (correct 3H to 3S or raise 3S to 4S). Any further action is GF.
X - penalty
3H - Invitational in hearts

[Co Wiersma]

Post by KWSchneider
Pass - either 1) weak, no preference (pass either major); 2) invitational in one of the majors (correct 3M to 4M); or 3) invitational in spades (correct 3H to 3S or raise 3S to 4S). Any further action is GF.
X - penalty
3H - Invitational in hearts

You mean you can never let them play 3C ?

[Player]

Post by a***@yahoo.co.uk
This auction came up last Friday evening.
N E S W
2D* P 2H 3C
?
*multi, weak 2 in major, strong 2 in minor or 21-22HCP balanced
I held 95 9632 AK84 A95 and wanted to compete in three of partners major, so bid 3H, intending this as pass or correct. Partner took it as natural, so I played in a 4-2 trump fit and went off. Partner suggested that a double in this situation would express a desire to compete in openers major My question is what it the standard way to show a desire to play in three of openers major in a competitive auction?

You bid badly. Should you not bid 2S rather than 3H? This is a spade sign off or inv it H. If pd has a weak 2 in H don't you wish to compete further, maybe even bid game?
X now is for penalties and 3H would be competing in opener's Major.

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Post by a***@yahoo.co.uk
This auction came up last Friday evening.
N E S W
2D* P 2H 3C
?
*multi, weak 2 in major, strong 2 in minor or 21-22HCP balanced
I held 95 9632 AK84 A95 and wanted to compete in three of partners major, so bid 3H, intending this as pass or correct. Partner took it as natural, so I played in a 4-2 trump fit and went off. Partner suggested that a double in this situation would express a desire to compete in openers major My question is what it the standard way to show a desire to play in three of openers major in a competitive auction?

You bid badly. Should you not bid 2S rather than 3H? This is a spade sign off or inv it H. If pd has a weak 2 in H don't you wish to compete further, maybe even bid game?
X now is for penalties and 3H would be competing in opener's Major.

See my second post, I origionally put the auction down wrong. Partner opened 2D and my RHO bid 3C before I had a chance to bid. The bidding was 2D (3C) 3H(me) AP and I ended up playing in a grotty 4-2 'fit'.