What do you bid?

[Adam Lea]

You hold:

KJ9
KQJ876
6
AQ7

Game all, you are playing 5 card, majors, 15-17 NT, nothing sophisticated.

After a pass on your left you open 1H. Partner responds 1S. What do you
bid now?

[Berti Rupsli]

Post by Adam Lea
KJ9
KQJ876
6
AQ7
Game all, you are playing 5 card, majors, 15-17 NT, nothing sophisticated.
After a pass on your left you open 1H. Partner responds 1S. What do you
bid now?

I guess the (starting) pass is on your *right* side?
Playing "Standard", I'd bid 2C now and see pd's rebid before making up my mind on the further bidding.

(or have you really been in the balancing seat, and pd passed originally?)

Berti

[Fred.]

Post by Adam Lea
KJ9
KQJ876
6
AQ7
Game all, you are playing 5 card, majors, 15-17 NT, nothing sophisticated.
After a pass on your left you open 1H. Partner responds 1S. What do you
bid now?

16-18 total points, a good 6-card suit and good 3-card
support for partner is sometimes called the Bridge
World Death Hand, because experts have come up with
no good answer to your question using standard
methods in Bridge World bidding contests.

The situation is complicated here by the fact that
the 18 total points include all working cards, but
only one ace, making it a very good but dangerous
hand.

In my regular methods I will rebid 2C which is
forcing, promises a fragment or better, and gets
a spade rebid when partner holds 5+ spades.

Playing standard methods at match points I
rebid a mild 2S hoping partner will bid on
with a good hand and that many of the field
will get into trouble when partner has a bad
hand. Perhaps at IMP's 3C is correct, getting
us to the right strain if game exists. But,
if the partnership lacks a clear understanding
after 3C, 2S may still be the right call.

Fred.

[Lorne Anderson]

Post by Adam Lea
KJ9
KQJ876
6
AQ7
Game all, you are playing 5 card, majors, 15-17 NT, nothing sophisticated.
After a pass on your left you open 1H. Partner responds 1S. What do you
bid now?

I would bid 3H. I would not argue with anybody who thinks it is better
to bid 2C.

The problem I see is that 4H will often be the best contract when prtner
has 4S and 1H, and 6H is often best opposite Ax and another A but it may
be difficult to convince him after a 2C start.

[jogs]

Post by Adam Lea
KJ9
KQJ876
6
AQ7
Game all, you are playing 5 card, majors, 15-17 NT, nothing sophisticated.
After a pass on your left you open 1H. Partner responds 1S. What do you
bid now?

2C. My second choice is 3C.

The tough decision will be in the next round.

[jogs]

Post by Adam Lea
KJ9
KQJ876
6
AQ7
Game all, you are playing 5 card, majors, 15-17 NT, nothing sophisticated.
After a pass on your left you open 1H. Partner responds 1S. What do you
bid now?

I didn't notice the pass on the left.
It's not your turn to bid next.

It's better if you show the entire auction.

p-?

or

p-p-p-?

[Adam Lea]

Post by jogs

Post by Adam Lea
KJ9
KQJ876
6
AQ7
Game all, you are playing 5 card, majors, 15-17 NT, nothing sophisticated.
After a pass on your left you open 1H. Partner responds 1S. What do you
bid now?

I didn't notice the pass on the left.
It's not your turn to bid next.
It's better if you show the entire auction.
p-?
or
p-p-p-?

Apologies, the pass (dealer) was on the right.

[Will in New Haven]

Post by Adam Lea
KJ9
KQJ876
6
AQ7
Game all, you are playing 5 card, majors, 15-17 NT, nothing sophisticated.
After a pass on your left you open 1H. Partner responds 1S. What do you
bid now?

I bid 3H. Certainly, that does not show the nice Spades but it shows the general strength of the hand and the good Heart suit.

[Adam Lea]

Post by Adam Lea
KJ9
KQJ876
6
AQ7
Game all, you are playing 5 card, majors, 15-17 NT, nothing sophisticated.
After a pass on your left you open 1H. Partner responds 1S. What do you
bid now?

I re-bid 3H, although I can now see the merit in re-bidding 2C. I wish I
had done that now, as this was the full deal:

QT762
-
QT542
K95
3 A854
532 AT94
AJ93 K87
JT863 42
KJ9
KQJ876
6
AQ7

3H was passed out and I went two down for -200 for 5/14 MPs, not as bad
as the other hands but not wonderful. No-one found a spade contract.
Deep Finesse says seven tricks in hearts is the limit and nine tricks
can be made in spades. All but one are in a heart contract by South. One
pair made 4H, one pair went three of in 4H, three others did the same as
me, one pair was allowed to make 3H, and one pair found 3NT (by North)
making.

After 1H - 1S - 2C, what do you respond with the North hand? I bet that
at least one pair in the room would have played in 2C on a 3-3 fit if
that auction had happened at their table lol.

[Player]

Post by Adam Lea

Post by Adam Lea
KJ9
KQJ876
6
AQ7
Game all, you are playing 5 card, majors, 15-17 NT, nothing sophisticated.
After a pass on your left you open 1H. Partner responds 1S. What do you
bid now?

I re-bid 3H, although I can now see the merit in re-bidding 2C. I wish I
QT762
-
QT542
K95
3 A854
532 AT94
AJ93 K87
JT863 42
KJ9
KQJ876
6
AQ7
3H was passed out and I went two down for -200 for 5/14 MPs, not as bad
as the other hands but not wonderful. No-one found a spade contract.
Deep Finesse says seven tricks in hearts is the limit and nine tricks
can be made in spades. All but one are in a heart contract by South. One
pair made 4H, one pair went three of in 4H, three others did the same as
me, one pair was allowed to make 3H, and one pair found 3NT (by North)
making.
After 1H - 1S - 2C, what do you respond with the North hand? I bet that
at least one pair in the room would have played in 2C on a 3-3 fit if
that auction had happened at their table lol.

Don't laugh. Many would play in a 3-3 fit. A lot do not play cos as forcing after a 1 over 1, and a pass of 2C looks eminently reasonable with the opposite hand.

[Lorne Anderson]

Post by Adam Lea
After 1H - 1S - 2C, what do you respond with the North hand?

Pass. Not the first time I have played in a 3-3 fit !

[Berti Rupsli]

Post by Adam Lea
After 1H - 1S - 2C, what do you respond with the North hand?

Playing "Standard" I would pass such a 2C rebid only in rare cases, this is definitely NOT one of them. North should rebid 2S, showing the 5cS (and min, and "disable" a H rebid), South should invite with 3S then, to be passed.
Even if an over-adventurous North would rebid 2D (because 5-5) it would produce the same kind of information, South should invite with 2/3S then, to be passed.

Berti

[Player]

Post by Berti Rupsli

Post by Adam Lea
After 1H - 1S - 2C, what do you respond with the North hand?

Playing "Standard" I would pass such a 2C rebid only in rare cases, this is definitely NOT one of them. North should rebid 2S, showing the 5cS (and min, and "disable" a H rebid), South should invite with 3S then, to be passed.
Even if an over-adventurous North would rebid 2D (because 5-5) it would produce the same kind of information, South should invite with 2/3S then, to be passed.
Berti

"North should rebid 2S"
Really? This is an awful bid, absolutely awful. Pd would pass with a weak hand and a stiff or even a void S.

[p***@infi.net]

Post by Player

Post by Berti Rupsli

Post by Adam Lea
After 1H - 1S - 2C, what do you respond with the North hand?

Playing "Standard" I would pass such a 2C rebid only in rare cases, this is definitely NOT one of them. North should rebid 2S, showing the 5cS (and min, and "disable" a H rebid), South should invite with 3S then, to be passed.
Even if an over-adventurous North would rebid 2D (because 5-5) it would produce the same kind of information, South should invite with 2/3S then, to be passed.
Berti

"North should rebid 2S"
Really? This is an awful bid, absolutely awful. Pd would pass with a weak hand and a stiff or even a void S.

Agreed.

[Berti Rupsli]

Post by Player

Post by Berti Rupsli

Post by Adam Lea
After 1H - 1S - 2C, what do you respond with the North hand?

Playing "Standard" I would pass such a 2C rebid only in rare cases, this is definitely NOT one of them. North should rebid 2S, showing the 5cS (and min, and "disable" a H rebid), South should invite with 3S then, to be passed.
Even if an over-adventurous North would rebid 2D (because 5-5) it would produce the same kind of information, South should invite with 2/3S then, to be passed.
Berti

"North should rebid 2S"
Really? This is an awful bid, absolutely awful. Pd would pass with a weak hand and a stiff or even a void S.

but that's Standard without any artificial extensions, provided you play the 2C as "semi"-forcing.
And BTW, if op is weak he wouldn't bid 2C, or could repeat his long C, or he must hold some other length when he's void in S, etc... there must be a reason for bidding 2C...

Berti

[Player]

Post by Berti Rupsli

Post by Player

Post by Berti Rupsli

Post by Adam Lea
After 1H - 1S - 2C, what do you respond with the North hand?

Playing "Standard" I would pass such a 2C rebid only in rare cases, this is definitely NOT one of them. North should rebid 2S, showing the 5cS (and min, and "disable" a H rebid), South should invite with 3S then, to be passed.
Even if an over-adventurous North would rebid 2D (because 5-5) it would produce the same kind of information, South should invite with 2/3S then, to be passed.
Berti

"North should rebid 2S"
Really? This is an awful bid, absolutely awful. Pd would pass with a weak hand and a stiff or even a void S.

but that's Standard without any artificial extensions, provided you play the 2C as "semi"-forcing.
And BTW, if op is weak he wouldn't bid 2C, or could repeat his long C, or he must hold some other length when he's void in S, etc... there must be a reason for bidding 2C...
Berti

there must be a reason for bidding 2C...
Yes there must. You have a 2524 shape with no stoppers in the pointed suits for example or a 1534 shape or even a 0535 shape. If you think a minimum opener will bid again over 2S, (which should show 6 of a reasonable quality), you are living in Fantasyland.

[Berti Rupsli]

...

Post by Player

Post by Berti Rupsli

Post by Adam Lea
After 1H - 1S - 2C, what do you respond with the North hand?

there must be a reason for bidding 2C...

Yes there must. You have a 2524 shape with no stoppers in the pointed suits for example or a 1534 shape or even a 0535 shape. If you think a minimum opener will bid again over 2S, (which should show 6 of a reasonable quality), you are living in Fantasyland.

Ron: if even you find it awful, there is something in it that should make me reconsider. Agreed, if you play this kind of 2C as NF, then you shouldn't expect pd to rebid lightly in case he is rather min, so here resp might PASS and play C in 3-3 if given - good luck! And if you play it as forcing, then ... whatever.

But if you play it as SEMI-forcing (and let's focus on a WEAK resp only), then it should grant both pds some leeway. Both should know what they do! And here op KNOWS he holds a good 3cS and whatever a weak resp will rebid he must have an answer (else he shouldn't "risk" 2C), and in worst necessity a 4-3 in S is a good escape and shouldn't be worse than a possible 3-3 in C - remember in "Standard" a recall of a suit (S) can be passed!

Resp holds 13 cards and he only showed 4cS till now. What are the other 9 cards? If he's min and holds (at least) a 2cH he should give preference to 2H (resulting in a 5-2 at least). Else if he holds some C and nothing else he could pass. If he bids 2D he actually should be stronger than min or hold at least a 5-5 (op can easily rebid 2S here). So what is left? It's a 5cS or longer. Of course, resp cannot know of op's good 3cS, but this is op's problem. HE must have an answer to resp's 2S rebid (in case he is void in S) - but then he also holds 12-13 other cards! Or I would rather bid 1NT (standard NF) with shorter S (eg if 2524) as weakest possible escape.

Agreed, in absolut worst case of non-fitting hands and both min then op (eg 1534 or 0535) would have to escape to 3C, and resp without any C either (eg 4=1/0=x?=2/-?, else he should have passed 2C) - then evidently holding at least a 6cD - must correct to 3D - it can't be wrong then, because it's still 13 cards each! And if op holds something like 1/0=x?=1/0=y? then just extreme bad luck...
And in all these situations oppts must have a (double) fit in the majors...

Yes, there might be tight bidding situations, but do all other bidding styles have a perfect answer to each and every situation? Playing a semi-forcing bid IMO is the most difficult approach of all, and requires assessment of your own holding and the possible consequences! You really disagree? And finally the given hand seems to prove this approach!

Best from Fantasyland...
Berti

[Player]

Post by Berti Rupsli
...

Post by Player

Post by Berti Rupsli

Post by Adam Lea
After 1H - 1S - 2C, what do you respond with the North hand?

there must be a reason for bidding 2C...

Yes there must. You have a 2524 shape with no stoppers in the pointed suits for example or a 1534 shape or even a 0535 shape. If you think a minimum opener will bid again over 2S, (which should show 6 of a reasonable quality), you are living in Fantasyland.

Ron: if even you find it awful, there is something in it that should make me reconsider. Agreed, if you play this kind of 2C as NF, then you shouldn't expect pd to rebid lightly in case he is rather min, so here resp might PASS and play C in 3-3 if given - good luck! And if you play it as forcing, then ... whatever.
But if you play it as SEMI-forcing (and let's focus on a WEAK resp only), then it should grant both pds some leeway. Both should know what they do! And here op KNOWS he holds a good 3cS and whatever a weak resp will rebid he must have an answer (else he shouldn't "risk" 2C), and in worst necessity a 4-3 in S is a good escape and shouldn't be worse than a possible 3-3 in C - remember in "Standard" a recall of a suit (S) can be passed!
Resp holds 13 cards and he only showed 4cS till now. What are the other 9 cards? If he's min and holds (at least) a 2cH he should give preference to 2H (resulting in a 5-2 at least). Else if he holds some C and nothing else he could pass. If he bids 2D he actually should be stronger than min or hold at least a 5-5 (op can easily rebid 2S here). So what is left? It's a 5cS or longer. Of course, resp cannot know of op's good 3cS, but this is op's problem. HE must have an answer to resp's 2S rebid (in case he is void in S) - but then he also holds 12-13 other cards! Or I would rather bid 1NT (standard NF) with shorter S (eg if 2524) as weakest possible escape.
Agreed, in absolut worst case of non-fitting hands and both min then op (eg 1534 or 0535) would have to escape to 3C, and resp without any C either (eg 4=1/0=x?=2/-?, else he should have passed 2C) - then evidently holding at least a 6cD - must correct to 3D - it can't be wrong then, because it's still 13 cards each! And if op holds something like 1/0=x?=1/0=y? then just extreme bad luck...
And in all these situations oppts must have a (double) fit in the majors...
Yes, there might be tight bidding situations, but do all other bidding styles have a perfect answer to each and every situation? Playing a semi-forcing bid IMO is the most difficult approach of all, and requires assessment of your own holding and the possible consequences! You really disagree? And finally the given hand seems to prove this approach!
Best from Fantasyland...
Berti

"op (eg 1534 or 0535) would have to escape to 3C"
No way, Jose! I am not bidding again over 2S as I trust MY partners.

[Berti Rupsli]

...

"...op (eg 1534 or 0535) would have to escape to 3C..."
No way, Jose! I am not bidding again over 2S as I trust MY partners.

Ron: I appreciate your replies, even the oppositional ones ;)... But this one was a little strange. I also DO trust MY partners (else I wouldn't play with them!), and I do not think that a mutual agreement on playing this 2C semi-forcing style is against trusting or can be understood as some kind of just erratic bidding. Rather contrary I'd feel this treatment of the 2C bid requires LOTS of mutual trust!

People like you do it with knowing lots of artificial extensions, I try to do it more like natural, with applied logic - not everybody here seems to follow... You do need knowledgeable partners for all these artificial extensions and lots of discussion to apply them properly (and might still run into troubles and misunderstandings...)! A luxury most club players cannot afford...

Then again with a real partner I would be playing something like Gazilli or my 2NT gadget.

And BTW if you mention Gazzilli or your 2NT gadget (possibly showing a 6cH and a 3cS support for the suit of partner - provided you remember all the details correctly), or if Doug presents the artificial 3C bid, or if some of you present 3H (completely unsupported by partner) as the solution, then all of you seem to overlook the fact that you might be beyond 3D then; no chance to stop in time (if necessary) as in my version of the bidding (if oppts allow it). Forgive me, but I cannot see the superiority of these suggestions here, or how trust can solve the problem...

Berti

[Player]

Post by Berti Rupsli

...

"...op (eg 1534 or 0535) would have to escape to 3C..."
No way, Jose! I am not bidding again over 2S as I trust MY partners.

Ron: I appreciate your replies, even the oppositional ones ;)... But this one was a little strange. I also DO trust MY partners (else I wouldn't play with them!), and I do not think that a mutual agreement on playing this 2C semi-forcing style is against trusting or can be understood as some kind of just erratic bidding. Rather contrary I'd feel this treatment of the 2C bid requires LOTS of mutual trust!
People like you do it with knowing lots of artificial extensions, I try to do it more like natural, with applied logic - not everybody here seems to follow... You do need knowledgeable partners for all these artificial extensions and lots of discussion to apply them properly (and might still run into troubles and misunderstandings...)! A luxury most club players cannot afford...

Then again with a real partner I would be playing something like Gazilli or my 2NT gadget.

And BTW if you mention Gazzilli or your 2NT gadget (possibly showing a 6cH and a 3cS support for the suit of partner - provided you remember all the details correctly), or if Doug presents the artificial 3C bid, or if some of you present 3H (completely unsupported by partner) as the solution, then all of you seem to overlook the fact that you might be beyond 3D then; no chance to stop in time (if necessary) as in my version of the bidding (if oppts allow it). Forgive me, but I cannot see the superiority of these suggestions here, or how trust can solve the problem...
Berti

OK. In your style how does your pd know whether you have 5 rubbish spades to the Q or a decent 6, where the best spot opposite a stiff or maybe even a void is to play in 2M? You stated above you would bid again with a stiff S, so you are forcing to the 3 level anyway.
By the way, I cannot see anyone above supporting a 2S bid.

[Berti Rupsli]

Post by Player

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OK. In your style how does your pd know whether you have 5 rubbish spades to the Q or a decent 6, where the best spot opposite a stiff or maybe even a void is to play in 2M? You stated above you would bid again with a stiff S, so you are forcing to the 3 level anyway.

Ron: the issue was - based on your objection to the 2S rebid by resp and your op's example holdings (1534 or 0535) - when both are (rather) weak and op holds only a short S (which was not the case in the given thread). This would indeed be a problem when resp repeats his 5cS. In this case simple logic will guide you to one of the minors on level 3 - both hold 13 cards, not just short S!

Yes, you can (regularly) not play resp's 6cS opposite op's void in S on level2; but don't miss some IMPORTANT additional preconditions (eg: op chose to rebid 2C intentionally; resp decided NOT to pass 2C, and resp holds less than 2cH; etc... see the details given above).
If you have to escape to the minors then you'll end up on level3. But all the other presented bidding styles (incl. your 2NT gadget, the artificial 3C, or all the jumps to 3H, etc) will *always* end on level 3, equally "before" knowing...

Yes, if we agreed to play the 2C here as *NF* (in a completely "standard" way), then resp's repeat of S should show a good 6cS. So you'd have to pass the 2C bid instead, and play C in a 3-3. If that's what you prefer...

Post by Player
By the way, I cannot see anyone above supporting a 2S bid.

Exactly! Yet 2/3S would have been the BEST contract here! That seems convincing to me...

So, let's agree to disagree, thanks!

Berti

[Player]

Post by Berti Rupsli

...

"...op (eg 1534 or 0535) would have to escape to 3C..."
No way, Jose! I am not bidding again over 2S as I trust MY partners.

Ron: I appreciate your replies, even the oppositional ones ;)... But this one was a little strange. I also DO trust MY partners (else I wouldn't play with them!), and I do not think that a mutual agreement on playing this 2C semi-forcing style is against trusting or can be understood as some kind of just erratic bidding. Rather contrary I'd feel this treatment of the 2C bid requires LOTS of mutual trust!
People like you do it with knowing lots of artificial extensions, I try to do it more like natural, with applied logic - not everybody here seems to follow... You do need knowledgeable partners for all these artificial extensions and lots of discussion to apply them properly (and might still run into troubles and misunderstandings...)! A luxury most club players cannot afford...

Then again with a real partner I would be playing something like Gazilli or my 2NT gadget.

And BTW if you mention Gazzilli or your 2NT gadget (possibly showing a 6cH and a 3cS support for the suit of partner - provided you remember all the details correctly), or if Doug presents the artificial 3C bid, or if some of you present 3H (completely unsupported by partner) as the solution, then all of you seem to overlook the fact that you might be beyond 3D then; no chance to stop in time (if necessary) as in my version of the bidding (if oppts allow it). Forgive me, but I cannot see the superiority of these suggestions here, or how trust can solve the problem...
Berti

Bert, when I say I trust my pd what I mean is the following. Say we played on line and you bid 2S with me. With a minimum hand and a stiff maybe even a void, I would pass. I would expect you to have say QJTxxx as a minimum in S. (Ok, I don't play weak JS, if I did, my answer might be different.)
Ron

[Player]

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You really disagree? And finally the given hand seems to prove this approach!

Post by Berti Rupsli
Best from Fantasyland...
Berti

Yes, I REALLY disagree. Then again with a real partner I would be playing something like Gazilli or my 2NT gadget.

[Will in New Haven]

Post by Berti Rupsli

Post by Adam Lea
After 1H - 1S - 2C, what do you respond with the North hand?

Playing "Standard" I would pass such a 2C rebid only in rare cases, this is definitely NOT one of them. North should rebid 2S, showing the 5cS (and min, and "disable" a H rebid), South should invite with 3S then, to be passed.
Even if an over-adventurous North would rebid 2D (because 5-5) it would produce the same kind of information, South should invite with 2/3S then, to be passed.

2S does not "show a five-card suit," it shows a hand that is willing to play in 2S opposite a singleton and sometimes partner will have to pass with a void because you are not showing strength and the bidding has to stop sometimes.

Basically, that means six Spades or more, although I have seen examples of hands where one had to do it with five really good ones.

[p***@infi.net]

Post by Adam Lea

Post by Adam Lea
KJ9
KQJ876
6
AQ7
Game all, you are playing 5 card, majors, 15-17 NT, nothing sophisticated.
After a pass on your left you open 1H. Partner responds 1S. What do you
bid now?

I re-bid 3H, although I can now see the merit in re-bidding 2C. I wish I
QT762
-
QT542
K95
3 A854
532 AT94
AJ93 K87
JT863 42
KJ9
KQJ876
6
AQ7
3H was passed out and I went two down for -200 for 5/14 MPs, not as bad
as the other hands but not wonderful. No-one found a spade contract.
Deep Finesse says seven tricks in hearts is the limit and nine tricks
can be made in spades. All but one are in a heart contract by South. One
pair made 4H, one pair went three of in 4H, three others did the same as
me, one pair was allowed to make 3H, and one pair found 3NT (by North)
making.
After 1H - 1S - 2C, what do you respond with the North hand? I bet that
at least one pair in the room would have played in 2C on a 3-3 fit if
that auction had happened at their table lol.

Bad luck. I dismissed a simple 2S as being a gross underbid, but with no perfect action a sound underbid can pay off. 2C is just too cute: odds heavily favor playing in a major, and bidding clubs will all too often result in playing clubs. Overbidding with 3C seems more likely to get us to the correct strain, which should be worth at least one trick. Anyway, I don't think it's practical to reserve 3H for a hand that will play well opposite a void.

[Player]

Post by Adam Lea
KJ9
KQJ876
6
AQ7
Game all, you are playing 5 card, majors, 15-17 NT, nothing sophisticated.
After a pass on your left you open 1H. Partner responds 1S. What do you
bid now?

I bid 2NT gadget here. Pd can check back with 3C to find out my hand type. Playing Gazilli I would bid 2C. A 3C bid is absurd, 2C is a possibility, but only if it is forcing as some people play. 3H is another possibility, but I don't really like it.

[p***@infi.net]

Post by Adam Lea
KJ9
KQJ876
6
AQ7
Game all, you are playing 5 card, majors, 15-17 NT, nothing sophisticated.
After a pass on your left you open 1H. Partner responds 1S. What do you
bid now?

3H. Another version of the Bridge World Death Hand: rebidding a good hand with a long suit and three card support for partner's nebulous major. I never, ever jump raise on three, so the choice is between 2C, hoping to get a heart preference, a game-forcing 3C, or jumping to 3H. Since the primary suit is strong I'll make the obvious bid. Other people will face the same problem.

[Douglas Newlands]

Post by p***@infi.net

Post by Adam Lea
KJ9
KQJ876
6
AQ7
Game all, you are playing 5 card, majors, 15-17 NT, nothing sophisticated.
After a pass on your left you open 1H. Partner responds 1S. What do you
bid now?

3H. Another version of the Bridge World Death Hand: rebidding a good hand with a long suit and three card support for partner's nebulous major. I never, ever jump raise on three, so the choice is between 2C, hoping to get a heart preference, a game-forcing 3C, or jumping to 3H. Since the primary suit is strong I'll make the obvious bid. Other people will face the same problem.

I think it is not too uncommon to play 1H-1S-3C as artificial and
with either FG with clubs or the strong 3 card raise.
3D would ask which.
I know you said "nothing sophisticated" but this is an order of
magnitude less complex than Gazzilli-type methods.
Maybe someone can supply a known method.

doug

[KWSchneider]

Post by Adam Lea
KJ9
KQJ876
6
AQ7
Game all, you are playing 5 card, majors, 15-17 NT, nothing sophisticated.
After a pass on your left you open 1H. Partner responds 1S. What do you
bid now?

Adam - I think that I can say for all of us that we enjoy your bidding posts. However, it would be helpful if they not all be titled "What do you bid?" If you augment the post title with a date or some other distinguishing description, we could determine which "What do you bid?" we would like to follow.

Kurt

[Adam Lea]

Post by KWSchneider

Post by Adam Lea
KJ9
KQJ876
6
AQ7
Game all, you are playing 5 card, majors, 15-17 NT, nothing sophisticated.
After a pass on your left you open 1H. Partner responds 1S. What do you
bid now?

Adam - I think that I can say for all of us that we enjoy your bidding posts. However, it would be helpful if they not all be titled "What do you bid?" If you augment the post title with a date or some other distinguishing description, we could determine which "What do you bid?" we would like to follow.
Kurt

OK, will do.